Don Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, KursadA said: Why would KH fix it for a tooling that they designed years ago - that's what aftermarket is for. Why not? AMK retooled the entire fuselage for their Kfir kit did they not? So it can and has been done. The intakes are flat out wrong for the single seat 101's and this was pointed out to KH many times. Modelers know it (many won't buy the kit(s) because of them nor do they wish to cut and slice with AM... which doesn't exist...and potentially ruin the kit and AM in the process), and of course KH knows it. Besides, for a kit that's been out for four years (in the case of the F-101 A/C) we haven't seen any AM company step up to the plate with an intake fix and aside from whispers and vague mentions we have nothing concrete in that regards either. I am simply saying that had KH taken the time to correct the intakes for the Recon Voodoo (and they had four years to do so...) they could have done what AMK did with their Kfir and remarketed the A/C fighter version as well. Two single seat Voodoo's with correct intakes and more modelers would be happy and odds are more kits sold. Missed opportunity by KH IMO. Edited June 14, 2018 by Don Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 11 hours ago, Niels said: Checking my reference pic's of the F-101C vs RF-101C, I don't see any difference in the intakes? There is however a difference towards the F/RF-101B I agree. But this leads me to believe that it is only an issue with the F-101B kit, and not the others. Just to further clarify this, the F-101C and RF-101C kits have the intakes that were designed for the F-101B. The F-101B kit has these same intakes. Kitty Hawk used the same intakes on all the F-101 kits. Only the B model has the correct intakes, the F-101C and RF-101C models have the wrong intake. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Niels Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Thanks, thought it actually was the other way around from the pictures. Well, there is hope yet that they'll correct this for the RF-101A/C/G/H Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Niels Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Looking at the sprues for the F-101A/C; and comparing with the same for the R/F-101B; It looks to me to be a suttle difference between the splitter plates? The F-101A/C may not be as straight as it should be, but still seems to be different from the -B Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Look pretty much the same in shape to me. The pic of the B model splitters shows the panel line detail and the sprue attachment points are different, but shape wise, the same. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tony.t Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Those sprue diagrams are NOT complete. The actual kit includes an extra clear sprue with the port ID light cover (9) and fin tip trailing light (10, which should be used instead of part E16 as indicated in the instructions) Tony Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Sorry to ask because I’m sure it’s buried in this thread but - what are the primary accuracy issues with this kit? Slime lights, searchlight (for most versions), anything else? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tony.t Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 1 hour ago, 11bee said: Sorry to ask because I’m sure it’s buried in this thread but - what are the primary accuracy issues with this kit? Slime lights, searchlight (for most versions), anything else? If you're talking about the F-101B I can't see any apart from: Two dimensional side consoles, but you get a throttle and radar control stick Slightly squashy Mr Song trademark canopy but it looks great closed Absence of data-link antennae under the rear fuselage, just the "mounting rectangle" Somebody mentioned something about a teeny missing reflector sight on the glareshield Rest is good to go. Tony Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 56 minutes ago, tony.t said: If you're talking about the F-101B I can't see any apart from: Two dimensional side consoles, but you get a throttle and radar control stick Slightly squashy Mr Song trademark canopy but it looks great closed Absence of data-link antennae under the rear fuselage, just the "mounting rectangle" Somebody mentioned something about a teeny missing reflector sight on the glareshield Rest is good to go. Tony There is also the wrong shape engine vent on the starboard side of the fuselage. Like the Monogram kit, they just copied the port side vents. The round vent should be rectangular on the starboard side. The split oval vents are the same on both sides. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tony.t Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Mstor said: There is also the wrong shape engine vent on the starboard side of the fuselage. Like the Monogram kit, they just copied the port side vents. The round vent should be rectangular on the starboard side. The split oval vents are the same on both sides. Oh yes, deal breaker. I'm losing the will to live here. Aagh, as he slips into a Hammeresque abyss. T... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scooby Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 (edited) 16 hours ago, KursadA said: Why would KH fix it for a tooling that they designed years ago - that's what aftermarket is for. What we need is an innovative, risk-taking resin/PE aftermarket company in the US market. If Dave Klaus (Cutting Edge/Meteor) were still in business, we would have excellent replacement F-101A/C intakes within weeks. Despite all the unfounded/undeserved criticism he still gets, he was an indisputed genius in identifying market needs; and the scale modeling hobby in general is worse off because of his absence. Eastern Europeans (Aires, Eduard etc.) might have the money and talent, but they have absolutely no vision and understanding of the American market and will stick to their comfortable niche of cranking out endless streams of accessories for WWII German and current Russian/Soviet subjects. Dave was one of the reasons this hobby peaked years ago, his product was second to none. I worked on a few products with him, I miss his passion for this industry. Edited June 14, 2018 by Scooby Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 (edited) 52 minutes ago, tony.t said: Oh yes, deal breaker. I'm losing the will to live here. Aagh, as he slips into a Hammeresque abyss. T... ?? Mstor did nothing except answer my question about what accuracy issues the kit has. He didn't say anything else, simply provided a bit of info. Certainly never implied that the issue was a "deal breaker". Geez...... Edited June 15, 2018 by 11bee Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Janissary Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 So what's the story of Dave Klaus? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 3 hours ago, Janissary said: So what's the story of Dave Klaus? I think that is a story for another thread. From what I know, its a long one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Mstor said: I think that is a story for another thread. From what I know, its a long one. I searched for the video but no luck... someone must have stolen it..... 🤡 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, habu2 said: I searched for the video but no luck... someone must have stolen it..... 🤡 Do you mean Dave's final video speech thing? I don't think I ever saw it. Read the text of it I think. Someone must have it around. We could spend all day and night going on about Dave. I miss his products and his rapid response to the communities needs. He was a character but who doesn't have their quirks. Edited June 15, 2018 by Mstor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 6 hours ago, 11bee said: ?? Mstor did nothing except answer my question about what accuracy issues the kit has. He didn't say anything else, simply provided a bit of info. Certainly never implied that the issue was a "deal breaker". Geez...... Too funny. I think tony t. may have been tongue in cheek. If not, no sweat. I'm hoping someone like AMUR Reaver or Metallic Details will do a photoetch set that will include a replacement vent. They have been good at doing this kind of photoetch in thin metal so you can carefully thin the surrounding plastic and inlay the PE flush with the surface. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tony.t Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Mstor said: Too funny. I think tony t. may have been tongue in cheek. If not, no sweat. I'm hoping someone like AMUR Reaver or Metallic Details will do a photoetch set that will include a replacement vent. They have been good at doing this kind of photoetch in thin metal so you can carefully thin the surrounding plastic and inlay the PE flush with the surface. It was tongue-in-cheek and no offence was intended. The vent is a stupid repeat but I'll probably do what I did with the old Monogram: use a decal. In fact, a set of decal vents of various shapes and sizes would be useful, but an etch part would be superior, if not a tiny bit fiddly to fit flush. Providing the rectangular base but not the data-link antennae for it was also a bit stupid, but I'm sure Aires will step in. Tony Edited June 15, 2018 by tony.t phrasing Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 S 2 hours ago, tony.t said: It was tongue-in-cheek and no offence was intended. The vent is a stupid repeat but I'll probably do what I did with the old Monogram: use a decal. In fact, a set of decal vents of various shapes and sizes would be useful, but an etch part would be superior, if not a tiny bit fiddly to fit flush. Providing the rectangular base but not the data-link antennae for it was also a bit stupid, but I'm sure Aires will step in. Tony Sorry Tony. Hard to tell sometimes. It’s all good! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Petarvu Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 16 hours ago, tony.t said: Oh yes, deal breaker. I'm losing the will to live here. Aagh, as he slips into a Hammeresque abyss. T... 🤣🤣🤣 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brad-M Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Sprue Brothers has them in stock. Brad Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Falcon053 Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) So I started building my Voodoo, this is my first kit from Kitty Hawk...I'll say I'm already into working on the intakes and hope things improve, had to raid the Monogram kit for the engine faces, which actually do fit, unless someone can give me good pictures that the middle part as the KH parts are shaped like a cone? Also discovered that the clear panel behind the pilots seat isn't there and there is a total lack of a gun sight "HUD" at all unless it can be in a stowed position? Otherwise the build is going great! Edited June 28, 2018 by Falcon053 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Finn Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 The cone in the intake: a small image showing the optical sight in the stowed position can be seen here: http://www.flight-manuals-online.com/product/mcdonnell-f-101-voodoo/ i don't remember the length of the sight arms but the glass was 6 3/8" long by 3 1/2" wide and 1/4" thick. Jari Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Falcon053 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Thanks Jari, I'm starting to think the kit is a little more correct than I gave it credit for. I have seen the pictures you posted of the intakes and the black was throwing me, looking at the duse on the top, the cone shape is correct. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CF104 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 16 hours ago, Falcon053 said: So I started building my Voodoo, this is my first kit from Kitty Hawk...I'll say I'm already into working on the intakes and hope things improve, had to raid the Monogram kit for the engine faces, which actually do fit, unless someone can give me good pictures that the middle part as the KH parts are shaped like a cone? Also discovered that the clear panel behind the pilots seat isn't there and there is a total lack of a gun sight "HUD" at all unless it can be in a stowed position? Otherwise the build is going great! Monogram definitely got the inlet cones wrong. And it looks like KH got the general shape correct for the off center cone but the large cooling inlet at the tip wasn't there on the F-101B/F as these were pointed. RF-101C intake cone with cooling inlet Cheers, John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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