flybywire Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 (edited) Hi everyone! I'd just like to know especially from the Tomcat experts if the schemes #3 & #4 on the instructions below could be built OOB from this upcoming Tamiya F-14A. Thanks in advance! Edited October 10, 2016 by flybywire Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darren Roberts Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Unfortunately not. Those are later block Tomcats with the upgrade ECM suite and NACA gun vent found on the F-14B's. I'll be attempting to do that update in the next couple of weeks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jay Chladek Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Pretty much anything done in the ghost gray camo schemes can't be done from this kit without at least the addition of "L" stiffener plates on the tails. Anything done after Desert Storm more than likely will have the NACA gun vents instead of the two hole or seven hole variety. Out of the box, you can do many of the high-vis Gull gray over white or all over gull gray schemes (depending on the airframe represented as the Navy had begun retrofitting the stiffener plates, but not all jets got them right away). Of course whether or not they had different chin pods is down to doing the proper research. Then of course there are the Iranian birds, both IIAF and IRIAF which never had the stiffener plates added or the additional ECM lumps and bumps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
airmechaja Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Thanks Jay. That's the exact info I was looking for. Dean Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flybywire Posted October 10, 2016 Author Share Posted October 10, 2016 12 hours ago, Darren Roberts said: Unfortunately not. Those are later block Tomcats with the upgrade ECM suite and NACA gun vent found on the F-14B's. I'll be attempting to do that update in the next couple of weeks. Hi Darren! Oh no. Could you inform me/us when those two items you mentioned will be out in the market please, I'll check on them and see I will be able to do a decent upgrade on it. Thanks for your response! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flybywire Posted October 10, 2016 Author Share Posted October 10, 2016 9 hours ago, Jay Chladek said: Pretty much anything done in the ghost gray camo schemes can't be done from this kit without at least the addition of "L" stiffener plates on the tails. Anything done after Desert Storm more than likely will have the NACA gun vents instead of the two hole or seven hole variety. Out of the box, you can do many of the high-vis Gull gray over white or all over gull gray schemes (depending on the airframe represented as the Navy had begun retrofitting the stiffener plates, but not all jets got them right away). Of course whether or not they had different chin pods is down to doing the proper research. Then of course there are the Iranian birds, both IIAF and IRIAF which never had the stiffener plates added or the additional ECM lumps and bumps. Hi Jay! I just might stick with the IRIAF/IIAF or the gray over white or overall gull gray if that is the case. Thanks for your response! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Manuel J. Armas S. Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Yes, but with some update parts... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alpagueur Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 (edited) some differences in the beaver tail, too... Edited October 10, 2016 by Alpagueur Quote Link to post Share on other sites
A-10 LOADER Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 (edited) The Tamiya kit can be built as a block 85 or early Block 95 F-14A. The VF-2 jet is a Block 85 while the VF-84 version is a Block 95 jet. So, the block 85 jets would include BUNO's from 159588 thru 159637 and the Block 95 jets would be BUNO's 160379 thru 160414. Hope this helps. Steve Edited October 12, 2016 by A-10 LOADER Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flybywire Posted October 12, 2016 Author Share Posted October 12, 2016 On 10/11/2016 at 7:23 AM, A-10 LOADER said: The Tamiya kit can be built as a block 85 or early Block 95 F-14A. The VF-2 jet is a Block 85 while the VF-84 version is a Block 95 jet. So, the block 85 jets would include BUNO's from 159588 thru 159637 and the Block 95 jets would be BUNO's 160379 thru 160414. Hope this helps. Steve Hi A-10 Loader! VF-154 specifically schemes #3 & #4 belong to what Block? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alpagueur Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 (edited) 25 minutes ago, flybywire said: VF-154 specifically schemes #3 & #4 belong to what Block? NF/100 buno.161621 is an A+ block 125 (#3 and #4 schemes is the same bird in different timeframes): http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-serial.htm http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-serial-14.htm#125 you can see the ECM blisters under the wing glove vane and the TCS chin pod: Edited October 12, 2016 by Alpagueur Quote Link to post Share on other sites
A-10 LOADER Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 2 hours ago, Alpagueur said: NF/100 buno.161621 is an A+ block 125 (#3 and #4 schemes is the same bird in different timeframes): http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-serial.htm http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-serial-14.htm#125 you can see the ECM blisters under the wing glove vane and the TCS chin pod: Correct, plus this jet has the NACA gun vents, tail stiffeners and, ECM antenna on the beaver tail. Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flybywire Posted October 12, 2016 Author Share Posted October 12, 2016 6 hours ago, Alpagueur said: NF/100 buno.161621 is an A+ block 125 (#3 and #4 schemes is the same bird in different timeframes): http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-serial.htm http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-serial-14.htm#125 you can see the ECM blisters under the wing glove vane and the TCS chin pod: Hi Alpagueur! Thank you for the info and showing me the differences amonng the different types of beaver tails. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flybywire Posted October 12, 2016 Author Share Posted October 12, 2016 3 hours ago, A-10 LOADER said: Correct, plus this jet has the NACA gun vents, tail stiffeners and, ECM antenna on the beaver tail. Steve Thank you very much for the info ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flybywire Posted October 12, 2016 Author Share Posted October 12, 2016 6 hours ago, Alpagueur said: NF/100 buno.161621 is an A+ block 125 (#3 and #4 schemes is the same bird in different timeframes): http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-serial.htm http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-serial-14.htm#125 you can see the ECM blisters under the wing glove vane and the TCS chin pod: One more thing, isn't it an A+ is automatically considered a B? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pep Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 IMHO just build it as you want. I'll be doing mine as a grim reapers black tail bird. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
A-10 LOADER Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 1 hour ago, flybywire said: One more thing, isn't it an A+ is automatically considered a B? Yes and no, a lot of it had to do with the numbers on the books and budgeting issues. Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites
A-10 LOADER Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 36 minutes ago, Pep said: IMHO just build it as you want. I'll be doing mine as a grim reapers black tail bird. Correct, if your not a purist there are alot of decal sheets out there that you can use for the new Tamiya kit. If you want correct markings to build an accurate airframe then your choices are limited and you'll have to pay attention to the BUNO's on the specific sheets. Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pep Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 12 minutes ago, A-10 LOADER said: Yes and no, a lot of it had to do with the numbers on the books and budgeting issues. Steve Different engines too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tomthegrom Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 That black knights jet is not an A+, I don't have references but it might be an A Tarps upgrade. A+ was eventually designated B. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jay Chladek Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Anything with TF-30 engines is an F-14A. The F-14A Plus (eventually known as the F-14B) was ONLY powered with the GE110 engines. As to how and why the designation was done that way is likely down to how the Navy funding appropriations bill was drawn up as sometimes funding for "development" of an "existing model" can be slipped through Congress when a different letter designation might attract too much attention. The Navy didn't get the numbers of F-14Ds that they wanted due to the costs involved, so the A Plus was something of a stop gap. Later on, probably once all the airframes were delivered, the decision was made to re-designate them B models to avoid confusion in operational use (since a Tomcat with F110 engines has different engine maintenance and supply requirements than the TF30 powered A models). As for the Black Knights jet in that picture, 161621, it is an F-14A and yes it is a TARPS capable bird. Funny enough, it also was once a VF-111 "Miss Molly" CAG bird in 1989. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alpagueur Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 (edited) 9 hours ago, tomthegrom said: That black knights jet is not an A+ 8 hours ago, Jay Chladek said: Anything with TF-30 engines is an F-14A. The F-14A Plus (eventually known as the F-14B) was ONLY powered with the GE110 engines sorry guys, I was wrongly convinced that the "plus" designation was related to the possibility of carrying air-to-surface loads not to engines Edited October 13, 2016 by Alpagueur Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flybywire Posted October 13, 2016 Author Share Posted October 13, 2016 (edited) 18 hours ago, A-10 LOADER said: Yes and no, a lot of it had to do with the numbers on the books and budgeting issues. Steve That complicated ha. Thanks again! Edited October 13, 2016 by flybywire Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flybywire Posted October 13, 2016 Author Share Posted October 13, 2016 13 hours ago, tomthegrom said: That black knights jet is not an A+, I don't have references but it might be an A Tarps upgrade. A+ was eventually designated B. Thank you for the info! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
A-10 LOADER Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Correct, the Black Knights jet, 161621, is not an A+. She was built as a TARPS capable jet from the factory. Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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