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Hi everyone! I'd just like to know especially from the Tomcat experts if the schemes #3 & #4 on the instructions below could be built OOB from this upcoming Tamiya F-14A. Thanks in advance!

 

F-14A Tomcat Black Knights History (Plastic model) Color4

 

 

 

F-14A Tomcat Black Knights History (Plastic model) Color5

 

 

 

 

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Unfortunately not. Those are later block Tomcats with the upgrade ECM suite and NACA gun vent found on the F-14B's. I'll be attempting to do that update in the next couple of weeks.

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Pretty much anything done in the ghost gray camo schemes can't be done from this kit without at least the addition of "L" stiffener plates on the tails. Anything done after Desert Storm more than likely will have the NACA gun vents instead of the two hole or seven hole variety.

Out of the box, you can do many of the high-vis Gull gray over white or all over gull gray schemes (depending on the airframe represented as the Navy had begun retrofitting the stiffener plates, but not all jets got them right away). Of course whether or not they had different chin pods is down to doing the proper research. Then of course there are the Iranian birds, both IIAF and IRIAF which never had the stiffener plates added or the additional ECM lumps and bumps.

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12 hours ago, Darren Roberts said:

Unfortunately not. Those are later block Tomcats with the upgrade ECM suite and NACA gun vent found on the F-14B's. I'll be attempting to do that update in the next couple of weeks.

Hi Darren!

Oh no. Could you inform me/us when those two items you mentioned will be out in the market please, I'll check on them and see I will be able to do a decent upgrade on it. Thanks for your response! 

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9 hours ago, Jay Chladek said:

Pretty much anything done in the ghost gray camo schemes can't be done from this kit without at least the addition of "L" stiffener plates on the tails. Anything done after Desert Storm more than likely will have the NACA gun vents instead of the two hole or seven hole variety.

Out of the box, you can do many of the high-vis Gull gray over white or all over gull gray schemes (depending on the airframe represented as the Navy had begun retrofitting the stiffener plates, but not all jets got them right away). Of course whether or not they had different chin pods is down to doing the proper research. Then of course there are the Iranian birds, both IIAF and IRIAF which never had the stiffener plates added or the additional ECM lumps and bumps.

Hi Jay!

I just might stick with the IRIAF/IIAF or the gray over white or overall gull gray if that is the case. Thanks for your response!

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some differences in the beaver tail, too...

 

 

Beavers-all_zps1e39bfd9.jpg

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The Tamiya kit can be built as a block 85 or early Block 95 F-14A.

The VF-2 jet is a Block 85 while the VF-84 version is a Block 95 jet.

So, the block 85 jets would include BUNO's from 159588 thru 159637 and the Block 95 jets would be BUNO's 160379 thru 160414. Hope this helps.

Steve

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On 10/11/2016 at 7:23 AM, A-10 LOADER said:

The Tamiya kit can be built as a block 85 or early Block 95 F-14A.

The VF-2 jet is a Block 85 while the VF-84 version is a Block 95 jet.

So, the block 85 jets would include BUNO's from 159588 thru 159637 and the Block 95 jets would be BUNO's 160379 thru 160414. Hope this helps.

Steve

Hi A-10 Loader! VF-154 specifically schemes #3 & #4 belong to what Block?

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25 minutes ago, flybywire said:

VF-154 specifically schemes #3 & #4 belong to what Block?

 

NF/100 buno.161621 is an A+ block 125 (#3 and #4 schemes is the same bird in different timeframes):

 

http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-serial.htm

http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-serial-14.htm#125

 

you can see the ECM blisters under the wing glove vane and the TCS chin pod:

F-14_Tomcat_VF-154.jpg

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2 hours ago, Alpagueur said:

 

NF/100 buno.161621 is an A+ block 125 (#3 and #4 schemes is the same bird in different timeframes):

 

http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-serial.htm

http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-serial-14.htm#125

 

you can see the ECM blisters under the wing glove vane and the TCS chin pod:

F-14_Tomcat_VF-154.jpg

 

Correct, plus this jet has the NACA gun vents, tail stiffeners and, ECM antenna on the beaver tail.

 

Steve

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6 hours ago, Alpagueur said:

 

NF/100 buno.161621 is an A+ block 125 (#3 and #4 schemes is the same bird in different timeframes):

 

http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-serial.htm

http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-serial-14.htm#125

 

you can see the ECM blisters under the wing glove vane and the TCS chin pod:

F-14_Tomcat_VF-154.jpg

Hi Alpagueur! Thank you for the info and showing me the differences amonng the different types of beaver tails. 

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3 hours ago, A-10 LOADER said:

 

Correct, plus this jet has the NACA gun vents, tail stiffeners and, ECM antenna on the beaver tail.

 

Steve

Thank you very much for the info ! 

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6 hours ago, Alpagueur said:

 

NF/100 buno.161621 is an A+ block 125 (#3 and #4 schemes is the same bird in different timeframes):

 

http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-serial.htm

http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-serial-14.htm#125

 

you can see the ECM blisters under the wing glove vane and the TCS chin pod:

F-14_Tomcat_VF-154.jpg

One more thing, isn't it an A+ is automatically considered a B?

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IMHO just build it as you want. I'll be doing mine as a grim reapers black tail bird.

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1 hour ago, flybywire said:

One more thing, isn't it an A+ is automatically considered a B?

 

Yes and no, a lot of it had to do with the numbers on the books and budgeting issues.

 

Steve

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36 minutes ago, Pep said:

IMHO just build it as you want. I'll be doing mine as a grim reapers black tail bird.

 

Correct, if your not a purist there are alot of decal sheets out there that you can use for the new Tamiya kit. If you want correct markings to build an accurate airframe then your choices are limited and you'll have to pay attention to the BUNO's on the specific sheets.

 

Steve

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12 minutes ago, A-10 LOADER said:

 

Yes and no, a lot of it had to do with the numbers on the books and budgeting issues.

 

Steve

Different engines too.

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That black knights jet is not an A+, I don't have references but it might be an A Tarps upgrade. A+ was eventually designated B.

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Anything with TF-30 engines is an F-14A. The F-14A Plus (eventually known as the F-14B) was ONLY powered with the GE110 engines. As to how and why the designation was done that way is likely down to how the Navy funding appropriations bill was drawn up as sometimes funding for "development" of an "existing model" can be slipped through Congress when a different letter designation might attract too much attention. The Navy didn't get the numbers of F-14Ds that they wanted due to the costs involved, so the A Plus was something of a stop gap. Later on, probably once all the airframes were delivered, the decision was made to re-designate them B models to avoid confusion in operational use (since a Tomcat with F110 engines has different engine maintenance and supply requirements than the TF30 powered A models).

 

As for the Black Knights jet in that picture, 161621, it is an F-14A and yes it is a TARPS capable bird. Funny enough, it also was once a VF-111 "Miss Molly" CAG bird in 1989.

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9 hours ago, tomthegrom said:

That black knights jet is not an A+

 

8 hours ago, Jay Chladek said:

Anything with TF-30 engines is an F-14A. The F-14A Plus (eventually known as the F-14B) was ONLY powered with the GE110 engines

 

sorry guys, I was wrongly convinced that the "plus" designation was related to the possibility of carrying air-to-surface loads not to engines :doh:

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18 hours ago, A-10 LOADER said:

 

Yes and no, a lot of it had to do with the numbers on the books and budgeting issues.

 

Steve

That complicated ha. Thanks again!

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13 hours ago, tomthegrom said:

That black knights jet is not an A+, I don't have references but it might be an A Tarps upgrade. A+ was eventually designated B.

Thank you for the info!

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Correct, the Black Knights jet, 161621, is not an A+. She was built as a TARPS capable jet from the factory.

 

Steve

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