jimm33 Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Hey, Guys! Looks like the Kitty Hawk Banshee has arrived. Has anyone built or are building one?? From what I've read so far, there are numerous issues with this kit (I cancelled my kit a week or so ago). I don't know whether or not they ignored the research provided them or just rushed the kit into production without enough engineering. I was especially surprised to read that the fuselage bulge over the intakes may be noticeably too high. The canopy if modeled in the open position is not positioned correctly with the hardware found on the real jet. There are other issues pointed out by folks on-line but was hoping there might be some of us who are already into construction. Thoughts?? Jim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rex Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 here is what it looks like finished http://modelingmadness.com/scott/korean/us/usn/f2h.htm I had just finished reading that when I logged onto here,,,,,,,there might be others, but, this one was just posted today. Rex Quote Link to post Share on other sites
john53 Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 It looks nice but that's if you like short, stumpy hunched backed looking planes. I built the ancient Airfix 1/72 and it didn't have the issues I see here. But i would guess the resin guys will cure all this. Just my old feeble eyes opinion.---John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimm33 Posted October 14, 2016 Author Share Posted October 14, 2016 (edited) Thanks for the link, Rex! I've bookmarked the review for the future. Jim Edited October 14, 2016 by jimm33 Wrong name! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darren Roberts Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 It's all about passion. I picked up on a couple of errors on the Tamiya Tomcat (which is probably the best fitting kit I've ever built), and yet when I look at the Banshee, it looks perfectly fine. I'm passionate about the Tomcat and want to build the Banshee to fill my collection. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
airmechaja Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 The wing tanks don't even look correct! Maybe it's the angle of the picture? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jeffryfontaine Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Looks like a Banshee to me and would be identified as such on reconnaissance imagery for reporting purposes. Hopefully the later model Banshee will be available soon. Prefer the late version over the early version… Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Slartibartfast Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 It appears the NAVY Banshee has a different (shorter) tip tank than the Marines bird. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tailspin Turtle Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 9 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said: It appears the NAVY Banshee has a different (shorter) tip tank than the Marines bird. There was no difference between the Navy and Marine F2H-2 tip tanks. The F24-3/4 tip tanks were slightly smaller than the F2H-2's. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darren Roberts Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 The tip tanks on the model look close to the period picture on the deck. The tanks on the display aircraft don't look like the ones in the period picture. In fact, if I'd hazard a guess, I'd say they were missing the tanks and stuck on T-33 tanks instead. They sure do look an awful lot like them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rex Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Homebe, that link goes to Scott's review build, I didn't build that. (didn't want credit for something I didn't build) I really wouldn't sweat the two inaccuracies so much,,,,,,,lots of "looks like a Banshee" guys are going to just buy and build them OOB,,,,,,,,and a few people will tackle that intake and nose gear issue themselves,,,,,or buy aftermarket fixes if they get produced. In the end, 5 new kit releases from now, it will be just like the Hobby Boss A-7 nose thing,,,,,,,those that really want it fixed will fix it, those that see it but don't care will build it OOB, and some people will still not "see" it, whether because they really can't, or because they don't want to. And they're all right, no matter how they approach it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 7 hours ago, airmechaja said: The wing tanks don't even look correct! Maybe it's the angle of the picture? Aft part of the canopy looks off as well. Too bad, I want to support these guys, they are providing at lot of much-requested subjects. Just can't understand how they keep making such big mistakes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cr7driver Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 Typical low quality $$hitty Hawk kit. Not worth my hard earned bucks. IMHO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimm33 Posted October 17, 2016 Author Share Posted October 17, 2016 I want to thank everyone for their input and comments regarding the Banshee as it stands now. I'll hold off on an order for the time being to see what aftermarket items come out. I see another build in progress over on Cybermodeler which has some other comments regarding issues with the kit. Another curiosity I've seen is that the new kit release tables put out by Cybermodeler have a release date of December, 2016 for this kit (same kit number). Makes me wonder if KH plan to re-release the kit with corrections?? Anyway, I think we can assume that this is the Banshee we'll ultimately have to live with. I do want one for my Korean War naval collection. Now if only someone would release an A-1E! Thanks again everyone! Jim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jpk Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 HomeBe, I believe you are correct in that what we now have is what we will always have and KH will do nothing to correct the kit. I have decided to not buy it. Perhaps someone like Dimitri at Dmold creates a correction set or someone might try to adapt the old HAWK Banshee intakes into the KH kit and shows how they did it on line I may buy it but until that happens I will await the -3/4. Hopefully the people at KH will pay a little more attention to what they are doing and actually use reference material available to them for that version. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 (edited) On 15/10/2016 at 5:01 AM, HomeBe said: http://modelingmadness.com/scott/korean/us/usn/f2h.htm Nice building. Thanks for the link Rex. But... I hate to be so virulent - it's not in my nature - but considering they claim having had the full support of the Detail & Scale specialists the Kitty Wok designers did, in my opinion and for this model, a really bad work. The serious shape inaccuracies observed in this kit - the intake bulge and exhaust subtle curves being the biggest issues - are therefore and for me totally unacceptable. For such a modern product shapes and details are in my opinion far below the generated expectations though my little rant. Source: http://modelingmadness.com/scott/korean/us/usn/f2h.htm Source: http://rocketman-inc.tumblr.com/post/93223604445/mcdonnell-f2h-banshees Source: http://modelingmadness.com/scott/korean/us/usn/f2h.htm Source: http://www.warbirdregistry.org/jetregistry/banshee-124988.html Source: http://modelingmadness.com/scott/korean/us/usn/f2h.htm Source: http://aviationphotodigest.com/flying-leatherneck-aviation-museum/ Source: http://c4.staticflickr.com/6/5341/29733710123_03f29b7e04_c.jpg Source: National Archives V.P. I totally Agree that, the KittyHawk it just TOTALLY plain WRONG in shape. i remember the guy from Scale & Details not being totally comfortable with the end result... Just take the size of that tail! how can it be, when comparing two pictures, that the "real" aircraft looks like being seen from closer that the model (nicely built BTW) ...and the tail of the KH model seems to have twice more surface! (i know that those photos are not of the exact same angle, nonetheless...) the KH looks "chubby"...and the real AC looks slender... that's really sad... the boxart was very inspiring to me... now, i 'm not sure if i still hope that KH does the RCN F2H-3 Banshee... Edited October 18, 2016 by mingwin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scorvi Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Suppose it is like the Trumpeter F9F Panthers. They have a plethora of problems too. I guess these early jets are massively complex topics & these companies just cant get them right. WWII stuff is much easier to make kits off accurately it seems?? Joking?? Well It would be nice if someone like GWH or Meng tackled these subjects . Lets hope they do the F11F-1 or maybe a FJ-3 . Now that would be a nice kit. BTW The GWH T-33 is superb kit and I look forward to the slew of boxings they will inevitably produce!! Love to see them do a a proper 1/48 F9F Panther and Cougar series !! What gets me is that Paul Fisher gets these airframes accurate and awesome in 1/32 & in resin so why cant these companies get it right!?! It makes me want to model these kits in 1/32 I guess!?! Steve, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.Sin Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 2 hours ago, jpk said: HomeBe, I believe you are correct in that what we now have is what we will always have and KH will do nothing to correct the kit. I have decided to not buy it. Perhaps someone like Dimitri at Dmold creates a correction set or someone might try to adapt the old HAWK Banshee intakes into the KH kit and shows how they did it on line I may buy it but until that happens I will await the -3/4. Hopefully the people at KH will pay a little more attention to what they are doing and actually use reference material available to them for that version. Don't hold your breath on that.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.Sin Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 (edited) This whole thing makes me lose hope for their upcoming Su-34. Some companies just don't give a damn about accuracy, even when they have help from experts. Kitty Hawk, now hear this, GET WITH IT! Edited October 18, 2016 by B.Sin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimm33 Posted October 18, 2016 Author Share Posted October 18, 2016 Great comments, guys! I like the suggestion that another company may want to give it a try and do an accurate kit from the outset. I feel that there ought to be enough interest in the F2H-2/2P that another company would do well with an accurate kit. Same for the Panther/Cougar too. We'll just have to wait and see how this plays out over the next 6-months or so. The upcoming "Big Banjo" is an interesting bird in its own right with both Navy blue, silver and grey/white schemes. Wonder if Revell may ever issue the Hawk kit under their own brand or if someone else would do an update on same?? I assume the kit is generally not available? Jim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
john53 Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Something looks strange with the tail-horizontal stabs. They seem to be set back too far from the tails leading edge. Also that tail looks too "fat". Kinda looks like a Banshee on steroids!---John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RKic Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Kittyhawk, I am very disappoint Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tailspin Turtle Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 3 hours ago, john53 said: Something looks strange with the tail-horizontal stabs. They seem to be set back too far from the tails leading edge. Also that tail looks too "fat". Kinda looks like a Banshee on steroids!---John The kit has the fin's leading edge too far forward and the fin is also a bit too tall. See http://tailspintopics.blogspot.com/2016/09/kitty-hawk-148-f2h-22p-banshee.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
john53 Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Thanks, knew something was awry. I keep looking at the two last photos and the more I see the less I like what they did to that fine aircraft. Hasegawa's egg planes better represent aircraft than this monstrosity. Sorry but I am a big Korean war aircraft fan and this is just not good.---John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jpk Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 (edited) On 10/15/2016 at 5:01 AM, HomeBe said: http://modelingmadness.com/scott/korean/us/usn/f2h.htm Nice building. Thanks for the link Rex. But... I hate to be so virulent - it's not in my nature - but considering they claim having had the full support of the Detail & Scale specialists the Kitty Wok designers did, in my opinion and for this model, a really bad work. The serious shape inaccuracies observed in this kit - the intake bulge and exhaust subtle curves being the biggest issues - are therefore and for me totally unacceptable. For such a modern product shapes and details are in my opinion far below the generated expectations though my little rant. Source: http://modelingmadness.com/scott/korean/us/usn/f2h.htm Source: http://rocketman-inc.tumblr.com/post/93223604445/mcdonnell-f2h-banshees Source: http://modelingmadness.com/scott/korean/us/usn/f2h.htm Source: http://www.warbirdregistry.org/jetregistry/banshee-124988.html Source: http://modelingmadness.com/scott/korean/us/usn/f2h.htm Source: http://aviationphotodigest.com/flying-leatherneck-aviation-museum/ Source: http://c4.staticflickr.com/6/5341/29733710123_03f29b7e04_c.jpg Source: National Archives V.P. Edited November 2, 2016 by jpk Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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