JohnS Posted January 8, 2017 Author Share Posted January 8, 2017 Thanks phantom. I'm having fun seeing this model evolve from it's fence post beginnings. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnS Posted January 8, 2017 Author Share Posted January 8, 2017 (edited) Here's some background information about the RCN's MTB's, summarized from various Internet sites; The boat I’m building is a 71”- 6” Motor Torpedo Boat of the Royal Canadian Navy’s 29th MTB Flotilla. These boats had a 20’-7” beam and 5’-8” draught. The boats were originally designed as Motor Gun Boats (MGBs), but were later modified and re-designated as Motor Torpedo Boats. They were driven by three Rolls Royce or Packard V-12 Supercharged 1250 H.P. engines, each with a 2,500 gallon capacity of 100 high-octane gas. The boats had an operational radius of about 140 miles while cruising at 25 knots, and a top speed of 38 to 41 knots. Two Ford V-8 auxiliary engines could be clutched to a shaft for silent running at about 6 1/2 knots. Armament on my boat will include one 6 pounder gun, four .303 Vickers machine guns, two 20mm Oerlikon cannon, and two 18” torpedo tubes. The boats of the 29th Flotilla were supplied and maintained by the Royal Navy, and were manned by the Royal Canadian Navy. The 29th Flotilla MTB’s were designed and built by the British Power Boat Company (BPC). BPC was founded in 1927 by Hubert Scott-Paine, an avid designer and racer. He battled the British Navy Admiralty before the outbreak of World War Two to get the Admiralty to accept his new boat design. These hard chine boats were designed to travel over the surface of the water instead of forcing their way through it. They attained high speed with commercially supplied engines.the first all metal racing boat "Miss Britain III" was the first person to achieve in excess of 100 mph on salt water in a single engine craft, in By 1937 BPC had become the largest and most advanced boat-building establishment in the world. By April 1942 it employed over 2000 employees in two locations in Great Britain. This made the British Power Boat Company the most sophisticated boat-building production establishment of the Second World War. Scott-Paine continued to develop larger and more powerful craft as he was convinced that war with Germany was inevitable, and that ultimately the US would become involved. With war clouds rising, production of military craft was stepped up, and contracts to build BPC boat types under license were negotiated with ELCO in the USA (the first American PT boat squadrons were equipped with boats based on Scott-Paine designs.), Canadian Vickers in Canada, and the Cockatoo Boat Company in Australia. During WWII some 954 craft were built in the United Kingdom, and 476 craft were built in the USA and Canada. Sadly, the British Power Boat Company closed at the end of the Second World War. Hubert Scott-Paine had spent the war years in the United States, and stayed there at the end of WWII. He suffered a stroke in April 1946 and after a long illness, died in April 1954. If you're interested, more detailed information about the Royal Canadian Navy motor torpedo boats can be found at the following links; http://www.cnrs-scrn.org/northern_mariner/vol02/tnm_2_3_31-45.pdf https://www.friends-amis.org/index.php/en/document-repository/english/fact-sheets/195-canadians-and-coastal-forces/file http://www.naval-museum.mb.ca/mtb/ http://www.canadiancoastalforcestrust.com/pb/wp_96617197/wp_96617197.html Edited January 10, 2017 by JohnS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hajo L. Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Very interesting read, thanks a lot for that! HAJO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Silenoz Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 It's getting into its shape... Slowly but steadily. For such form I also take aid from a PC to draw those cut-outs of "difficult" forms... splendid work so far. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnS Posted January 16, 2017 Author Share Posted January 16, 2017 Next up, the large deck air vents. I raided the parts bin to get the material to make four large size vents located behind the bridge & beside the Oerlikon ‘bandstand’. I used a Phoenix missile body left over from a 1:48 F-14 build, and plastic tubing, to make the circular vent openings and bases. The finished large vents; There are seven smaller vents located beside bridge and on the foredeck. I used plastic tubing and plastic bar & sheet to make these vents. Here are the finished smaller vents; And, here are the vents test fit on the boat's deck; Next up, I'll start making the deck hatches & hardware. Thanks for looking. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnS Posted January 21, 2017 Author Share Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) A short update. I just finished the final group of deck vents. These are called mushroom vents, There's a total of 22 mushroom vents visible on the deck. I made these using plastic tube and straight pins. Here's a photo showing a couple of the completed vents. I test fit all the vents on the deck (6 large vents, 7 small vents, & 22 mushroom vents). Whew! Edited January 21, 2017 by JohnS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hajo L. Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Your progress may look slow, but it´s unbelievable many work included! Love how you take care of all the tiny details! HAJO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnS Posted January 21, 2017 Author Share Posted January 21, 2017 Thanks again Hajo. Yes, progress is relatively slow. But without a lot of documentation, I seem to be spending half my time researching the boat's design, surfing the Internet & reviewing old WWII photographs, and then finally trying to figure out how to make the parts. As you can see, I'm trying to incorporate as many of the visible details as I can in 1:72 scale ... as long as my eyes & fingers cooperate, lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnS Posted January 26, 2017 Author Share Posted January 26, 2017 A little more progress. I've scratch build the five access hatches located on the main deck, using plastic sheet & stretched sprue. These tiny items were simple to build, but their small size added a little complexity. Here's a photo showing the completed hatches; ,,, and another showing the hatch locations on the deck. One more step closer to finishing the deck hardware. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stevehnz Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 That is looking stunningly good. I'm a fan of Coastal Forces craft, I can see me taking very serious note of this build. Steve. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnS Posted January 27, 2017 Author Share Posted January 27, 2017 Thanks for your comments, Steve. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnS Posted January 31, 2017 Author Share Posted January 31, 2017 Here's a really small (or should I say 'tiny') update. I've completed the mooring line deck hardware, including the Sampson post, bollards & fairleads. The Sampson post & bollards were made from plastic rod & sheet. The fairleads were made using plastic tube (cut in quarters) & plastic sheet. Man, these things are tiny in 1/72 scale. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hajo L. Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Don´t sneeze! ;) How do you glue your tiny plastic parts? I remember having some problems with mine during the RCB-built. The classic plastic glue wouldn´t set and I had to use super glue instead... HAJO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnS Posted January 31, 2017 Author Share Posted January 31, 2017 34 minutes ago, Hajo L. said: Don´t sneeze! ;) How do you glue your tiny plastic parts? I remember having some problems with mine during the RCB-built. The classic plastic glue wouldn´t set and I had to use super glue instead... HAJO I've already lost a few tiny pieces during this build. All the white plastic is from Evergreen. I found that Tamiya Super Thin liquid glue works best for these parts. The Tamiya glue melts the plastic to give a good bond. To get an extra strong bond, I add a small bead of CA (Super) glue around the joint with the tip of a needle or pin. The CA glue is great because it can be sanded to give a nice rounded joint where the parts meet, when I need a rounded profile instead of a sharp corner. You have to be careful using the Tamiya Super Thin glue, as it melts the plastic quickly, and it can damage the parts if too much glue is used. On the other hand, the glue drys quickly and the plastic won't bond if too little glue is applied. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hajo L. Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Thanks, weill keep your advice in mind for my next scratch-build! (Nothing planned yet...) HAJO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Slartibartfast Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Go take a look at spaceman's Shuttle launch pad WIP in Realspace forum. Probably the only person who couldn't learn at least one new trick is Shep Paine (and not because he's passed on). It's remarkable what spaceman does. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnS Posted February 8, 2017 Author Share Posted February 8, 2017 I've chosen MTB 486 as a guide for this build. MTB 486 was commissioned in August, 1944 and joined the 29th Flotilla under the command of Lt. Cmdr. C. Anthony Law, the senior officer in the flotilla. The next step in this build will be to paint the boat's deck. Most Coastal Forces boat decks were painted B15 Ocean Grey. You would think finding that paint colour would be easy ... not! First of all, after reviewing colour photos, it appears Coastal Forces used many shades of B15. The following photo shows four Fairmile D's moored together. All appear to have different deck colours. To make matters more difficult, the model paint manufacturers don't seem to agree on what the B15 Ocean Grey colour looks like, e.g. Tamiya XF-82, Humbrol 106, & Model Master 2057 & 4866 are labelled as Ocean Grey, but all appear to be different shades. My solution was to find an actual Royal Navy B15 paint chip on the Internet, and custom mix paint to match (see http://steelnavy.com/images/chips/RNchip02.jpg). I chose Humbrol enamel paint & experimented mixing various colours close the B15 chip. After a lot of the trial & error I finally came up with a close match. Unfortunately, I lost track of how much of each colour I mixed. I sure hope I don't run out of paint. Once all the scratch built bits & pieces that will be painted B15 were added to the deck, I prepared the deck by removing the rough edges, excessive glue, etc., and gave it a good cleaning. Next, the white areas on the deck were painted, using WWII colour photos as guides. It's probably easier to apply the white paint on my white primer, than to paint over the darker B15 Ocean Grey. Once the white paint is fully dry, these areas will be masked before the B15 colour is applied. Let the masking begin! Thanks for looking. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stevehnz Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 This is looking great John. I do so wish someone would do a nice plastic version of one of these. The BPB boats had a rakish look that the Vosper boats rather missed to my mind. I've got the Airfix Vosper boat & a couple of the BPB rescue boats, one to bodge into a 60 footer but one of these bigger ones would be really nice, & as for a plastic Dog boat, well I guess I can dream, I might just have to follow your lead on carving these out. Steve. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnS Posted February 8, 2017 Author Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) Thanks Steve. 7 hours ago, stevehnz said: ... I do so wish someone would do a nice plastic version of one of these. ... one of these bigger ones would be really nice, & as for a plastic Dog boat, well I guess I can dream, ... Steve. I've been waiting for these boat kits in plastic, for a long time. Coastal Craft Models in the UK have BPB & Fairmile resin kits. Here's a link to their site - http://www.coastalcraftmodelsuk.com/model_kits.php John Edited February 8, 2017 by JohnS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnS Posted February 10, 2017 Author Share Posted February 10, 2017 The deck was masked, & painted B15. It was a pain to mask, as the masking tape didn't like sticking over the ribs on the deck & the ribs made it difficult to mask the required shapes & sizes. The circular area under the bandstand & the Allied star on the bow were especially tricky to mask. I removed the masking tape today & I'm pretty happy with the results. I think the custom mixed paint colour is close to dead-on B15 Ocean Grey. I will need to do a little touch-up, but overall it looks good - much better than anticipated. Here are the photos; Next up, I'll paint vents & hatch covers and add them to the deck. Thanks for looking. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stevehnz Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 This just looks better & better. That deck really helps to bring it together. Thanks too for the link to coastal craft, unfortunately a bit spendy in resin for me, especially with the detail bits that'd be required too I'd imagine, of course, I'd want to do one like this & a whale back one too..........., best I sharpen up my carving skills & learn to follow your example, theres nothing to loose by this method as you're showing so well. Steve. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnS Posted February 11, 2017 Author Share Posted February 11, 2017 Thanks Steve, for your feedback. A few coats of paint & it doesn't look like a piece of wood anymore. I came to the same conclusion about the Coastal Craft kits. However, I did buy their Oerlikon, 6 pdr, & torpedo tube kits separately for this build, to add a little more detail than I could by scratch building. I'm anxious to see how these kits fit together. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phantom Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 The paint really gives the look! Great! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnS Posted February 11, 2017 Author Share Posted February 11, 2017 Thanks for stopping by phantom. Your comments are appreciated. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnS Posted February 14, 2017 Author Share Posted February 14, 2017 The vents, hatch covers & breakwater have been glued to the deck. I'm currently working on assembling the Coastal Craft torpedo tubes. Hopefully, I'll have another update soon showing the completed tubes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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