Collin Posted February 4, 2020 Author Share Posted February 4, 2020 Dirty fingers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Finn Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 The earlier pic i posted is an Aussie one, here is another Aussie Hornet: Jari Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 3 hours ago, Finn said: The earlier pic i posted is an Aussie one, here is another Aussie Hornet: Jari Well then, Aussie it is. Thanks. Pretty clean one above. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 3 hours ago, Collin said: Dirty fingers You ain't kidding. What a mess. Did he stick his fingers in a pot of dirty grease before pressing those buttons? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Finn Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Not just aircraft get dirty paws on them: Jari Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GreyGhost Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 -Gregg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darren Roberts Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 2 hours ago, GreyGhost said: -Gregg Ooh, I'm liking that scheme! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GW8345 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 On 2/4/2020 at 3:41 PM, Mstor said: You ain't kidding. What a mess. Did he stick his fingers in a pot of dirty grease before pressing those buttons? The flight deck is a greasy place, nothing stays clean for long. That panel is the ground refueling panel, what mostly likely happened is that the plane captain had just got done chaining the aircraft down and then opened the panel so the plane can be refueled, tie down chains are very dirty. When I worked on deck I always came off the deck at the end of the shift covered in JP-5, Hydraulic Fluid and grease, I was a walking hazmat spill. Planes leak, grease gets thrown about and tie down chains are dirty/rusty, no amount of Oxiclean would get my jersey clean. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 28 minutes ago, GW8345 said: The flight deck is a greasy place, nothing stays clean for long. That panel is the ground refueling panel, what mostly likely happened is that the plane captain had just got done chaining the aircraft down and then opened the panel so the plane can be refueled, tie down chains are very dirty. When I worked on deck I always came off the deck at the end of the shift covered in JP-5, Hydraulic Fluid and grease, I was a walking hazmat spill. Planes leak, grease gets thrown about and tie down chains are dirty/rusty, no amount of Oxiclean would get my jersey clean. Thanks GW8345. I always figured the flight deck would be a "messy" place. Just wasn't aware how messy. I figure when things get really busy, there no time to wipe your hands on something to get even the most egregious grime off, other than your clothes. P.S. I had a fly-by-night car repair shop going once with a friend. What a mess I was when I got home. I can imagine what it felt like after a shift. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GreyGhost Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 -Gregg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shion Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Interesting pic showing different level of surface finish on FPU-12, one with fiber visible one without. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GW8345 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 3 hours ago, shion said: Interesting pic showing different level of surface finish on FPU-12, one with fiber visible one without. If I may, the inboard tank is an FPU-12 and the outboard tank is a FPU-11, hence the reason why one has the fiberglass showing and the other one doesn't. The FPU-12 will have a dark grey nose and tail, the FPU-11 doesn't, that's how you can tell the difference between the two without looking at the serial number plate.👍 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shion Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Thanks for the info. Why 2 types of FT, is there a technical reason? Is it possible to switch them? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GW8345 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 On 2/5/2020 at 9:49 PM, Mstor said: Thanks GW8345. I always figured the flight deck would be a "messy" place. Just wasn't aware how messy. I figure when things get really busy, there no time to wipe your hands on something to get even the most egregious grime off, other than your clothes. P.S. I had a fly-by-night car repair shop going once with a friend. What a mess I was when I got home. I can imagine what it felt like after a shift. One thing about the grease commonly used on aircraft (called "Molly B"), it was like baby poop, the more you wipe, the more you smear.🤣 Molly B was a black grease and once you got it on your hands it wasn't coming off easy, you either had to pressure wash your hands or wash them in either Turco (aircraft cleaning compound) or JP-5, either way, you were losing skin in the process. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GW8345 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 minute ago, shion said: Thanks for the info. Why 2 types of FT, is there a technical reason? Is it possible to switch them? The FPU-12 are just newer built tanks, depending on what time frame will determine if you can mismatch them. Now a days, you can miss match them, about 5 years ago, you could only mismatch them symmetrically, ie,. inboards one type, outboards a the other type. You will see them mismatched symmetrically but it's no longer a requirement. There is other differences between the two but it's not something modeler's need to know. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spook498 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Every once in awhile we would come across some of the earlier FPU tanks on the Supers that had the cap back past the edge of the intake lip. Talk about a bad girl to get a donkey d!ck into the for defueling. In 13 years, I only saw 4 of them. And they were still flying them as of the end of 2018. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GW8345 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) There's actually three drop tanks authorized for the Supers; FPU-11/A, FPU-11A/A and FPU-12/A. The tank tank Spook is describing are the old FPU-11/A drop tanks. The only way to tell the difference between the FPU-11/A and the FPU-11A/A is the location of the access panels but I don't remember which tank had what panel where though. And before anyone mentions the buddy store, those are not considered drop tanks, they are ARS's (Aerial Refueling Stores). Edited February 7, 2020 by GW8345 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, GW8345 said: There's actually three drop tanks authorized for the Supers; FPU-11/A, FPU-11A/A and FPU-12/A. That's it! I've officially lost my mind here. Only a government agency could come up those designations. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GW8345 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Mstor said: That's it! I've officially lost my mind here. Only a government agency could come up those designations. You can thank the Air Force for the designations, it's their (eff'ed up) system. FPU = Fuel, Pressurization Unit The USN/USMC system just designated everything with a Mk / Mod. Before 1962 there was two weapon designation systems in the US Military, the USN/USMC and the USA/USAF system, after 1062 the designations systems were overhaul under a common system that the Air Force came up with.............and trust me, it's confusing, even to me and I been in the ordnance field for 36 years. If you really wan to make your head hurt, try figuring out all the JDAM designations, talk about making your brain hurt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, GW8345 said: If you really wan to make your head hurt, try figuring out all the JDAM designations, talk about making your brain hurt. I was just going to say that you've gone and made my head hurt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Finn Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Indian Air Force MiG-23's: Jari Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 11 hours ago, Finn said: Indian Air Force MiG-23's: Jari Interesting. Plain light grey cockpit interior. No turquoise or later light blue-grey. Wasn't it a blueish grey that Mig moved to? I have a few pics of Mig-23s with a blue grey interior. None with the pain grey seen above. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Collin Posted February 10, 2020 Author Share Posted February 10, 2020 Boring F-35...weathering on this bird not up to standards: Now this looks cool. I am assuming the AESA radar is the reason for the slanted shadow/weathering on the nose? Great diorama idea: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Finn Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Boarding a Rafale: Jari Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GreyGhost Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Ripper 100 seems to have the same demarcation line on its nose cone as well . Hadn't noticed that until you pointed it out Collin, good catch! -Gregh Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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