11bee Posted April 4, 2017 Author Share Posted April 4, 2017 Found another picture of a gnarly looking Hawk. http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/8880/the-u-s-armys-uh-60v-brings-older-black-hawks-into-the-digital-age Didn't know the AVR-2B laser detector had that large mounting box under the pilot's doors. Nice write-up on the upcoming UH-60V as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Cool article. So basically it's a Lima model with a Mike cockpit. Kinda weird, but whatever. At the end of the day, it still has the same power and lift capability as it did going in to the mod. Kinda defeats the purpose of making the hawk better. I guess it's the Army's version of putting lipstick on a pig! (And no, the Blackhawk is not a pig!) Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Clinstone Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 It is when you're flying at 22k everyday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rotor_head_Dan Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 The idea of the "V" model is to allow the pilots to be able to transfer between units as it said in the article. Also on the functional side it is a necessity for the C2 birds that didn't get the air worthiness release on the "M" model. So it goes back to having pilots, particularly those straight out of flight school, trained on a "M" and going to a "L" unit so it wont be an issue once they go "V". We shall see once its all said and done. Dan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
markm1245 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) Seen this on a facebook group post, seemed to fit the topic. http://hyperstealth.com/Brussels/ Edited April 11, 2017 by markm1245 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted April 26, 2017 Author Share Posted April 26, 2017 Saw these over on FB. Not sure what the rules are for re-posting social media stuff. If it's an issue, I'll take em down. Anyhoo... thought these were pretty cool. Don't see too many pics of Nightstalker Hawks doing AAR. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted August 1, 2019 Author Share Posted August 1, 2019 Too lazy to start a new thread, just saw that the Army will be adding some new hardware bits to their Blackhawks. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29240/army-black-hawks-are-finally-getting-laser-countermeasures-to-throw-off-infrared-missiles Note the pic in the article above only has a single turret mounted (where the old ALQ-144 used to go), supposedly the production fit will have a second turret somewhere underneath. More stuff for the aftermarket folks to provide I suppose. On a related note, does the new KH Blackhawk come with all the latest ASE gear (missile approach sensors, laser detectors, extra chaff/flare dispensers)? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
huey_crew_chief Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 I am late to the party here. I would like to add, confirm that the color is very faded CARC. Depending on who made the paint, it fades to a light greenish gray or a yellowish brown, almost OD color. I love how it fades differently Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted October 15, 2019 Author Share Posted October 15, 2019 Again too lazy to start another thread but I saw this pic over on the UH-60 FB page. Lima with the UES fitted and an interesting external rack for the winch, which I'd never seen before. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Clinstone Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 It's made by Aero Precision and is used for aircraft that don't have a permanently mounted external hoist https://www.aeroprecision.com/pdf/Westwind_Brochure_Generic.pdf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted October 15, 2019 Author Share Posted October 15, 2019 Also read on that FB page that the UES is now mandatory for all combat-deployed Army Blackhawks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trojan Thunder Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 UES??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snake36bravo Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 UES??? Upturned Exhaust System http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?/topic/227008-uh-60m-upturned-exhaust-system/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trojan Thunder Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Thanks!, Thought it was something to do with the exhaust and my Google Foo failed on finding the meaning. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Helo-Engineer Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Yup, the UES is used to replace the very expensive and fragile ALQ-144. The mod along with special paint added to the blades for the increased heat allows the exhaust heat signature to be dispersed, and sort of acts the same way the ALQ would have. This along with CMWS is a more effective means of protecting from IR threats. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 Yup, the UES is used to replace the very expensive and fragile ALQ-144. The mod along with special paint added to the blades for the increased heat allows the exhaust heat signature to be dispersed, and sort of acts the same way the ALQ would have. This along with CMWS is a more effective means of protecting from IR threats. My understanding was that the ALQ-144 went away a long time ago cause it wasn’t effective against newer threats. The UES just recently became the standard exhaust suppressor, replacing the HIRSS on combat deployed Hawks Wasn’t aware of new paint on the blades. From a modeling perspective, is it any different from the original color? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 The 160th SOAR's MH-60M's still use the ALQ-144. I was told that they still use it because its effective against threats in various countries. Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Clinstone Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 The USAF still uses the Q on their deployed H-60s as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted October 18, 2019 Author Share Posted October 18, 2019 (edited) The USAF still uses the Q on their deployed H-60s as well. Strange that the regular army would have decided this equipment no longer was worth using and removed from the fleet years ago.... Edited October 19, 2019 by 11bee Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Clinstone Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) There are reasons that the Air Force trains for/against where the Q still has use. Just because it’s installed doesn’t mean it’s always turned on. Also there are less than 20 deployed HH-60s at any time, far less than even a single USA company. Edited October 19, 2019 by Clinstone Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strikeeagle801 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 The 160th SOAR's MH-60M's still use the ALQ-144. I was told that they still use it because its effective against threats in various countries. Tim I can second this fact. The 160th still uses them. Aaron Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Helo-Engineer Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 My understanding was that the ALQ-144 went away a long time ago cause it wasn’t effective against newer threats. The UES just recently became the standard exhaust suppressor, replacing the HIRSS on combat deployed Hawks Wasn’t aware of new paint on the blades. From a modeling perspective, is it any different from the original color? This is at least what I was told while in the Army working on Apaches that had the ASPI mod, this may not be accurate now that I think of it. In any case CMMWS is better at reducing certain threats. The different paint is to keep the blades from getting damaged by heat. It was still flat black paint. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted November 2, 2019 Author Share Posted November 2, 2019 Army Dust-Off Blackhawks flying in Syria have some interesting new countermeasures: These are also present on Apaches, no idea if standard UH-60's are also flying with these. Picture courtesy of and the full story is posted, here: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/30799/army-medevac-black-hawks-in-syria-are-flying-with-unique-laser-countermeasures-installation Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Helo-Engineer Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 Interesting. I first saw this type of counter-measures on some CH-47Fs when I was contracting in 2012. We called them R2-D2s due to the way that they functioned. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted April 29, 2021 Author Share Posted April 29, 2021 Just another example of how badly that paint weathers. At some point down the road, I’m going to build a 1/32nd Lima. Going to have a blast applying the paint job. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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