crackerjazz Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) Hi, I searched around the city for a 747 kit and found this old 1:200 Hobbycraft 747-100 for a good price. I was told it was based off of the Hasegawa kit. I thought the white maple leaf was missing and that I'll have to paint it on : ) It was there - just really hard to spot against a white background. I've always wanted to flap a 747 as it looks so cool with all gears and flaps down. Got this beautiful resin set from AV O - didn't realize there were so many parts. I've never done this before but I'll try my best to make sense of all the wing parts and which areas to cut. Edited January 18, 2017 by crackerjazz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waltmert Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 AV O flap set? cool!! Do you have an e- mail address for them? thanks, Walter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crackerjazz Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 Hi Walter -- yeah, it's great. Let me send you his email. AV O provided some great instructions, too, although, I've no experience cutting up wings; it's a scary proposition. But if it doesn't work out it's still good learning experience. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crackerjazz Posted January 22, 2017 Author Share Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) I've started cleaning up the AV O parts (actually I should refer to them as JN H parts --- as AV O is his member name and JN H the product). I've been doing some legwork in terms of reading up on "flapping" builds done by Oldhooker, AV O and Brad Shinn. Fantastic stuff! If I can achieve a fraction of the quality of their builds I'd be happy. And did the same for the other wing. Marked areas to cut for the bottom. The wings on my kit seem to be warped and droop down, especially the port side wing. I'm building an in-flight bird and have to depict some wing-flex, so...... I bent the wing by hand ---- slowly bending it upwards before breaking point -- and when it sprang back it had that nice flexed wing look. I don't know if it will keep the shape, though. I might have to try the hot water technique I read about it another forum - where you have to pour hot water on the wing for a couple minutes and bend to shape. I was even thinking about strapping the wing onto a curved piece of wood and dunking the whole thing in boiling water but then it might warp in the wrong places. Edited January 22, 2017 by crackerjazz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crackerjazz Posted January 22, 2017 Author Share Posted January 22, 2017 OK, bending by hand doesn't work. The shape isn't retained and after half an hour I was back to the original wing shape. So I resorted to the boiling water dunk. Prepared the wing.... I was hoping that by dunking it into boiling water and "freezing" under the tap it would retain the shape I want. Boiled up some water. Dunked the wing for 6 seconds, ran to the tap and rinsed it with cold water. Pretty cool wing flex. Did the same for the other wing. Although this time I boiled it for 10 seconds --- a mistake I think, as other areas which I don't want to bend did, such the areas held by tape. I can live with it. But now I know I shouldn't keep it submerged under boiling water for more than 5-6 seconds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trojan Thunder Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Missed the start of your build but have caught upnow, I also was not aware there was a flap set available in 1/200 Nice progress Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crackerjazz Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 Hi Trojan Thunder, thanks! A 747 in landing configuration with all flaps extended is just a sight to behold but would be a nightmare to scratchbuild. This flap set takes out all the guesswork; it's a real blessing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crackerjazz Posted January 26, 2017 Author Share Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) Dealing with some shape issues. Had to sand down this area towards the nose as it had a bulge where the fuselage halves meet. Compared the shape to the Doyusha 1/100. The nose will need a little fixing... But this area will need some serious re-shaping. Now I understand why I haven't come across a Hobbycraft 747 build thread :( Edited January 26, 2017 by crackerjazz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crackerjazz Posted January 27, 2017 Author Share Posted January 27, 2017 (edited) I was planning on scrapping the project but I really don't want to be wasteful so I'm gonna try and correct the shape. I realize it's not gonna be perfect but I just want to see what I could come up with. But definitely I'll get a Hasegawa next time. Edited January 27, 2017 by crackerjazz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crackerjazz Posted February 1, 2017 Author Share Posted February 1, 2017 (edited) I found the white paint pools in crevices instead of covering properly so I used several layers of Tamiya white primer instead. I'm not sure how others do the wheels if they use some mask for the rims then spray paint the tyres. Maybe I'll try that next time. Edited February 1, 2017 by crackerjazz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
K2Pete Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Worry not Crackerjazz, IMHO this is the quickest and easiest and most effective method for doing rims and tires. And don't give up on this ... I mean, geez ... you did a nice job on the nose area correction. Don't you enjoy the build phase of a model? It seems most builders enjoy the Painting phase ... but I get a lot of satisfaction out of solving the problem of a poor fitting kit. Not so much the finishing of it. I'd love to see how you finish a kit! See you at HeritageCon? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flyfort17 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 So cool. Where can I get one of those flap sets? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crackerjazz Posted February 1, 2017 Author Share Posted February 1, 2017 Hi Todd, thanks! :) You can get the flaps from AV O. Can you try sending a pm? His email seems to bounce back but he's able to receive my PMs. Hey, Pete, thanks! Yeah, me too, I hope I can do this justice, though. I still haven't figured out how to fix the wing root fairings and the windows. Re Heritagecon - yeah, I want to go and see that LM of yours! And I just might grab that 1/32 CSM kit I saw last year if I see it there again. I'm just praying I won't be on-call on that date. Being called out in the middle of the highway is no fun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trojan Thunder Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Well, I thought I had commented on the cockpit fix but can't see it! Looks good. Agree with Pete on doing the wheels (when it has a rim to work with), otherwise I use a punch and die set and try masking the rims. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vidar_710 Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Awesome stuff so far! What's your plan for the 1/100 kit? I'm using mine to build an SCA with the Tamiya Space Shuttle. I have a ton of 3D printed replacements for it, including a tail cone for the shuttle. Just need the Shuttle's mounting stanchions done, or I'll have to scratch-build them. Trying to see if someone can take the 1/200 Hasagawa kit's parts and double their size for me. Just may have found someone on FB. ;-) I'll keep watching this one! Tracy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crackerjazz Posted February 2, 2017 Author Share Posted February 2, 2017 Hi Ray, thanks! Hey, Tracy, I haven't decided what to do with the 1/100 yet, but probably just the JAL livery. What are the Hase SCA parts like? I could probably give it a try. I wanted to do something about the landing gear on this kit. I'm not sure if the Hase 1/200 has the same blocky landing gear parts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waltmert Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Wow a 1/100 Space Shuttle transporter!!!! That will be for sure an impressive model hanging from the ceiling! I like the modifications you done to the 747 nose profile. Looks really good! Walter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trojan Thunder Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 I have built a couple of Hasegawa B747s and I am pretty sure the gear legs are a lot more refined. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vidar_710 Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 The Hasagawa kit parts are gorgeous! :-) Tracy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crackerjazz Posted February 3, 2017 Author Share Posted February 3, 2017 Now I"m really hankering for a Hasegawa :) Can you post a photo of the Hasegawa 747 landing gear legs, please? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Eric B. Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 (edited) HI all, I am very surprised by what I can read here comparing Hobbycraft and Hasegawa early B747s. I really thought they were the same kit and what I see strongly reminds me of what I know of the Hasegawa B747-100/200 in 1/200th scale! Could this be a rework of the Hasegawa kit? Besides beware, though I like your work on correcting forward fuselage shapes do not be overconfident over the Entex/Nitto/Doyusha B747 shapes. Although an impressive kit that can be built (with work) as an impressive model it is not known for its utmost accuracy : fuselage hump is supposed to be a bit flat and must be raised. That's from what I remember of an older magasine article (I started one at the time - long time storage this one ;^D). I remember reading the small Hasegawa B747-100 might be the most accurate Classic B747s in model form (if the same kit!!) Regards.. Eric B. Edited February 3, 2017 by Eric B. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crackerjazz Posted February 5, 2017 Author Share Posted February 5, 2017 (edited) Hi Eric, thanks for the info. I did have a Hase kit once but sold it unopened so I really want to verify the landing gear parts. Do you know if the Hasegawa fusalage has the same shape as this in the wing root fairing area? Worked on the nose gear: Had to cut here to extend the inner cylinder for an in-flight position. Back of nose gear. Don't know what to do with the landing lights yet. And there's still a third strut that I'll be attaching once I fix the landing gears to the fuselage. From photos I see 3 pairs of doors for the nose gear. The longer pair close up once the gears are down while the smaller pair remains open -- but there's a third pair -- baby doors that are half-open to allow room for a portion of the linkage for the third strut. Still have to figure that out. Edited February 5, 2017 by crackerjazz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trojan Thunder Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Nice job with the nose gear. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vidar_710 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) Hasagwa kit images Fuselage. nose gear doors are much thinner on this kit. Landing gear struts are not much different, but are a little finer in detail. not a lot to expect in 1/200. Shuttle stanchion/mounts. Painted grey to easy scanning for 3D printing, but it didn't work. Need these in 1/100 (twice the size). I think the shock cylinders should remain the diameter here, but everything else in the nose mount should be doubled in size. Tracy Edited February 7, 2017 by Vidar_710 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crackerjazz Posted February 8, 2017 Author Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) Wow, the Hobbycraft and Hasegawa look so much alike - thanks for the shots! That pinched area behind the cockpit doesn't look as pinched as Hobbycraft's but I recognize those landing gear parts. I guess the only other difference would be in the wing root fairing area: Hey, it seems possible to scale those SCA parts. From your photos I've come up with this so far, but measurements would certainly help, as well as photos of the real stanchions. I'm just wondering if they'll hold up a 1/100 shuttle, though, in FUD material. Edited February 8, 2017 by crackerjazz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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