egg2012 Posted November 23, 2017 Author Share Posted November 23, 2017 (edited) The next about mask painting.It’s time consuming,eyesight consuming and mask tape consuming. The first round for chevrons and fuselage bands and their black edge. The second for black tail and wing root black. And finally for tri-color prop tips,oh my. Two lessons I need to remember from this yellow-wings A/C painting.One is about deliberate masking arrangement on the leading edge area where chevrons close to the edge of wing root black.The other about paint accumulated on the bands edge. I strongly feel that I’ve had enough of this,um,this HB crazy cat.I need a break.I need another type. My eyes on the Tamiya F4F.she is so quite ,like a baby cat. Thanks for watching! Edited October 21, 2018 by egg2012 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joel_W Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 (edited) sJust finished catching up on your Duel F4F builds. Since you questioned the correct colors for the cockpits, my references indicate that pre-war/ early production F4F-3s cockpits and interiors were painted with Aluminum lacquer. Late model -3s and early -4s had the cockpit painted in what is referred to as Bronze Green, while the rest of the -4s had their cockpits painted in Interior Green. Talk about confusing! Grumman's painted their fuselage interiors, wheel wells, and inside of the cowlings with what is now referred to as Grumman Gray, a more neutral shade of Gray rather then the more traditional zinc chromate, most likely due the shortage on LI of the protective coating then anything else. Also, the use of shoulder harnesses came into being with the -4s. The -3's only had lap belts. I learned that lesion the hard way on my Trumpeter 1/32 -3 build. You are absolutely correct in removing the duel magnetos from the crankcase cover on the Pratt & Whitney R-1830-76 . When Grumman's switched to the R-1830-86 engine, P&W had moved the magnetos to the top of the crankcase, which is the most visible differences between the two engines. Your pre-war painting and masking is simply outstanding. Very well done. Joel . Edited November 23, 2017 by Joel_W Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Peterpools Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Terrific progress on the Two Cats. Yellow color on the wings looks spot on. Keep ‘em comin Peter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ichitoe Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Agreed, fantastic work! Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
egg2012 Posted November 24, 2017 Author Share Posted November 24, 2017 8 hours ago, Joel_W said: sJust finished catching up on your Duel F4F builds. Since you questioned the correct colors for the cockpits, my references indicate that pre-war/ early production F4F-3s cockpits and interiors were painted with Aluminum lacquer. Late model -3s and early -4s had the cockpit painted in what is referred to as Bronze Green, while the rest of the -4s had their cockpits painted in Interior Green. Talk about confusing! Grumman's painted their fuselage interiors, wheel wells, and inside of the cowlings with what is now referred to as Grumman Gray, a more neutral shade of Gray rather then the more traditional zinc chromate, most likely due the shortage on LI of the protective coating then anything else. Also, the use of shoulder harnesses came into being with the -4s. The -3's only had lap belts. I learned that lesion the hard way on my Trumpeter 1/32 -3 build. You are absolutely correct in removing the duel magnetos from the crankcase cover on the Pratt & Whitney R-1830-76 . When Grumman's switched to the R-1830-86 engine, P&W had moved the magnetos to the top of the crankcase, which is the most visible differences between the two engines. Your pre-war painting and masking is simply outstanding. Very well done. Joel . Thanks sir,the information is greatly appreciated.According to your information and my limited references,this yellow-wings early war bird probably was painted cockpit in Aluminum.About the shoulder harness,I just wandered if lap belts could hold pilots tightly on the seats when the real things did maneuver . 6 hours ago, Peterpools said: Terrific progress on the Two Cats. Yellow color on the wings looks spot on. Keep ‘em comin Peter 6 hours ago, Ichitoe said: Agreed, fantastic work! Mike Thank you,I will keep them coming. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joel_W Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 egg2012, as for the issue of just lap belts was something that every pilot had to deal with. Loops. rolls, and inverted flight had to be a real issue. The ChopperMan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
martin_sam_2000 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Great job on that mask and paint job. I know how tedious that can be but you pulled it off spectacularly!! Looking forward to seeing the finished product. Sean Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CaptainObvious Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Fantastic masking and paint! Such neat work. Awesome Quote Link to post Share on other sites
egg2012 Posted December 8, 2017 Author Share Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) Thanks Joel,Sean and CaptainObvious for your comments. Add several pics of painting Tamiya wildcat. First ,I did a little experiment on the chipping fluid.I applied this product over which I tested lacquer paints because until then ,what I had read about using this kind of chipping products all involved only acrylic based paints.My stash gives me more choices on Mr Color lacquer paints.I don’t wanna give up on them. I airbrushed the chipping fluid on both the oil cooler air intakers under wings.I applied a little thick on the starboard one ,thin layer on the port.And then I airbrushed Mr color 325.The result,IMO ,was good.Chipping could be done under control by many handy tools without effort.I don’t think the water to moisturize the top paint would be totally necessary. Painting the undersurface of the cat .Two layers at least for now. Edited October 21, 2018 by egg2012 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wolfgun33 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Nice work on the two cats!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joel_W Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 I really like the chipping effect. another technique i'm going to have to try sooner then later. Great weathering effect on the bottom of that F4F. Joel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
egg2012 Posted January 18, 2018 Author Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) update a little progress on Tamiya cat painting and weathering basic upper surface painting and chipping I started doing weathering from the upper fuselage .I ,even now ,haven't specific expectation on the final weathered look.I plan to do it layer by layer with enamel and oil products. It still looks monotony.some other tones and streaks in different shapes will be added. Edited October 21, 2018 by egg2012 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joel_W Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Egg2012, Paint chipping looks restrained and thus realistic as so many times it's grossly overdone in scale. Looking forward to your next update. Joel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
egg2012 Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 13 hours ago, Joel_W said: Egg2012, Paint chipping looks restrained and thus realistic as so many times it's grossly overdone in scale. Looking forward to your next update. Joel Thank you Joel.It's restrained simply because I don't know clearly what to do next.It's much like the situation when I was trying to cook a new dish. I'm gonna look for inspiration from some old photos on web.. Feng Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joel_W Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 9 hours ago, egg2012 said: Thank you Joel.It's restrained simply because I don't know clearly what to do next.It's much like the situation when I was trying to cook a new dish. I'm gonna look for inspiration from some old photos on web.. Feng Feng, I tend to go with the philosophy of less is more. With scale compression trying to duplicate weathering and wear patterns 1:1 just looks way over done and unrealistic. But that's just my opinion, so do what you like. Joel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
egg2012 Posted April 10, 2018 Author Share Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) Hello guys.This post will reach its first anniversary next month.I think the two cats building can also be close to its final outcome if there were no surprise. Thanks everyone who checked my building and everyone who left your kind words. I repeated several times on weathering Tamiya cat until I totally didn’t know what to do again.To be frank,I think the effect is a little chaotic.but I did learn something from the process and I’m gonna improve it on my next project. Edited October 21, 2018 by egg2012 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
egg2012 Posted April 10, 2018 Author Share Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) Apply decals.In short about decals quality ,the HB is much better than the Tamiya.It dosen’t mean the HB decal is good enough to let you thumb up,the Tamiya one is a little too thick and the colors printing goes no perfectly.but considering the time it had been at shelf,It's ok. I’m gonna do the last weathering on decals and the areas around them after the decals get 100% dry,then give the two birds a enamel wash and assembly all parts together.I also have a plan about the antenna wires. Thanks for watching! Edited October 21, 2018 by egg2012 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rocat Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Great progress, lovely couple! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joel_W Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Egg2012, Great progress for sure. The weathering with the dot method looks pretty good to me. as for the decals, I like how you've trimmed them as much as you could and still keep them in pairs. But why not just completely separate them? Joel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
egg2012 Posted April 19, 2018 Author Share Posted April 19, 2018 13 hours ago, Rocat said: Great progress, lovely couple! Thank you Rocat. 2 hours ago, Joel_W said: Egg2012, Great progress for sure. The weathering with the dot method looks pretty good to me. as for the decals, I like how you've trimmed them as much as you could and still keep them in pairs. But why not just completely separate them? Joel When it comes to the dot effect,I just felt lucky not to ruin the whole surface when I was doing it .It's another story . As for the decals,the Tamiya's has become fragile,cutting could easily break edge of the patterns,I've broken some.Another reason is about convenience when to apply the decals .I think that aligning them could be easier. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joel_W Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 egg2012, alignment of individual decals has always been a major issue with me. I've got to trying not to cut them apart whenever possible. Unfortunately, I usually pay the price with some silvering issues. Joel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CaptainObvious Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Very nice progress on the both of them. The contrast between the 2 finishes really highlight the differences between the 2 operating environments. Kudos to you for pulling it off convincingly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
egg2012 Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 On 2018/4/20 at 3:48 AM, Joel_W said: egg2012, alignment of individual decals has always been a major issue with me. I've got to trying not to cut them apart whenever possible. Unfortunately, I usually pay the price with some silvering issues. Joel I heard that there is a decal called wet transfer decal.I'm gonna have a go when I have a chance . On 2018/4/20 at 5:03 AM, CaptainObvious said: Very nice progress on the both of them. The contrast between the 2 finishes really highlight the differences between the 2 operating environments. Kudos to you for pulling it off convincingly. Thank you Captain! There are still some jobs to be done before the whole building ends.I'll keep them coming . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
egg2012 Posted October 28, 2018 Author Share Posted October 28, 2018 (edited) OK, I've got the job done.I had not finished one kit for at least 10 years before I finished the two wild cats this time .Building the two kits was for practice. update last batch of pics. photos took in artificial light by my cell phone. in sun light (midday and afternoon) Edited October 28, 2018 by egg2012 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
egg2012 Posted October 28, 2018 Author Share Posted October 28, 2018 (edited) Thanks for watching .Happy modeling ! just for fun. move to my next project,see you. Edited October 28, 2018 by egg2012 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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