Scooby Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 13 minutes ago, Craig Baldwin said: Yes, through Volks Japan, but if you want to save some cash it may be available others sources soon. Just spotted a few on eBay. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Janissary Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Markings and other details from ZM: http://www.zoukeimura.co.jp/en/products/sws48_06_f4c.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Craig Baldwin Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 So far my only question of the kit is, the decals and application instructions show the triangular reinforcement plates on the stabilizers but they are not represented on the kit itself. Am I overlooking something? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gene K Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 51 minutes ago, Janissary said: Markings and other details from ZM: http://www.zoukeimura.co.jp/en/products/sws48_06_f4c.html GOOD GRIEF!! Someone at ZM/Volks should really (!) ask an English speaking person who has some knowledge of airplanes to proof product descriptions ... . For example, on the page linked above (that has the descriptions of the differences between a C and J&S models) there are errors such as: calling the Air Refueling Receptacle an "Oil Receptacle"; the location pointed to for "Cartridge Starter" is not even close to where it should be; etc; etc; etc. Makes an absolutely thoroughly researched product appear not so. Gene K Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Brown Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 41 minutes ago, Gene K said: GOOD GRIEF!! Someone at ZM/Volks should really (!) ask an English speaking person who has some knowledge of airplanes to proof product descriptions ... . For example, on the page linked above (that has the descriptions of the differences between a C and J&S models) there are errors such as: calling the Air Refueling Receptacle an "Oil Receptacle"; the location pointed to for "Cartridge Starter" is not even close to where it should be; etc; etc; etc. Makes an absolutely thoroughly researched product appear not so. Gene K As a professional writer, pilot, and Phantom enthusiast, I'd be happy to preview and edit their product descriptions. It would just cost them a kit per job. Ben Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Janissary Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 So I want to build F-4D 66-7551: https://abpic.co.uk/pictures/view/1041914 Anybody know if ZM F-4C include everything to build the above D? I think ZM is doing a separate D boxing (based on the pic in the first post of this thread). But, I don't care about the LORAN antenna on the spine as what I am interested in doesn't have it. If I'm not mistaken, the only issue is the herpes mod antenna fairing under the nose. Does the ZM C boxing have this updated fairing? I think in the Academy C boxing, you get all the D parts too, but not sure how this is with ZM. TIA. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BoeingDriver Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 (edited) Sorry to come to this thread late, but are you guys 100% sure about Olds' "C" not having a IR sensor? You can just see where the sensor fairing starts in the bottom pic. Edited October 1, 2017 by BoeingDriver Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Craig Baldwin Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 (edited) 10 hours ago, Janissary said: Anybody know if ZM F-4C include everything to build the above D? I think ZM is doing a separate D boxing (based on the pic in the first post of this thread). But, I don't care about the LORAN antenna on the spine as what I am interested in doesn't have it. If I'm not mistaken, the only issue is the herpes mod antenna fairing under the nose. Does the ZM C boxing have this updated fairing? I think in the Academy C boxing, you get all the D parts too, but not sure how this is with ZM. TIA. The C model sensor in on sprue K, part K2 and there is no D model sensor part there. I have not gone over every part but did not see it there. The D is not that far behind in release if I remember correctly. Edited October 1, 2017 by Craig Baldwin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dehowie Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 (edited) 22 hours ago, BoeingDriver said: Sorry to come to this thread late, but are you guys 100% sure about Olds' "C" not having a IR sensor? You can just see where the sensor fairing starts in the bottom pic. It was Gen Olds aircraft in Operation Bolo that did not have the sensor not his aircraft from later during his time in Vietnam. Edited October 2, 2017 by dehowie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BoeingDriver Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 2 hours ago, dehowie said: It was Gen Olds aircraft in Ooeration Bolo that did not have the sensor not his air raft from later duringbhis time in Vietnam. Oh gotcha. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gene K Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 On 9/30/2017 at 12:40 PM, Ben Brown said: I'd be happy to preview and edit their [ZM] product descriptions. It would just cost them a kit per job. Me too!! Along those same lines (but seriously), I was bemused and amused at last year's IPMS Nationals watching a couple of brash modellers obsequiously fawning The Old Man trying to get free kits in return for "reviews". He graciously took their names. The ZM "crew" and their displays at IPMS shows are always a highlight for me! Gene K Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Janissary Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 On 10/1/2017 at 8:31 AM, Craig Baldwin said: The C model sensor in on sprue K, part K2 and there is no D model sensor part there. I have not gone over every part but did not see it there. The D is not that far behind in release if I remember correctly. Thank you. I will wait for the D boxing then. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Craig Baldwin Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Janissary said: Thank you. I will wait for the D boxing then. The link you provided for aircraft 66-7551 is a D late in it's life. The D model ZM has shown in it's test shot is LORAN equipped. Seeing that ZM only have provided one unit marking per release so far, you will still have to modify that nose from what the kit will likely provide. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Janissary Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 On 10/2/2017 at 10:38 AM, Craig Baldwin said: The link you provided for aircraft 66-7551 is a D late in it's life. The D model ZM has shown in it's test shot is LORAN equipped. Seeing that ZM only have provided one unit marking per release so far, you will still have to modify that nose from what the kit will likely provide. I see what you mean. I could not find it earlier, but the particular markings I have in mind is here: https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8009/7415608730_8cd0cdde26_b.jpg I think I see the herpes chin pod, is that correct? So you don't expect that fairing to be in the ZM D boxing? If I am not mistaken, Academy F-4C boxing has all the parts for their D also. And as far as I can tell, it does not have the herpes mod: https://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/aca/pages/aca_12294_parts1.shtml So, unless ZM plans to include it, it looks like there is no OOB option for the above D, am I correct? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Craig Baldwin Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 On 10/4/2017 at 10:23 AM, Janissary said: So, unless ZM plans to include it, it looks like there is no OOB option for the above D, am I correct? Yes, AirDoc did a resin replacement nose but that was some time ago and would be difficult to find. I still think it is not that hard to scratch. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
adamitri Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 You all could ask darren roberts to do a resin piece to upgrade it to a "D" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gene K Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 On 9/30/2017 at 12:40 PM, Ben Brown said: As a professional writer, pilot, and Phantom enthusiast, I'd be happy to preview and edit their product descriptions. Maybe you could also proof the instructions. (the kit parts are good) Gene K (lest I'm misunderstood, I really admire ZMs attention to detail, including in their instructions) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Brown Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Gene, that angled ladder is actually an optical illusion, caused by the red line in the picture. Ben Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Craig Baldwin Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 I had not seen this photo before, captured from the web. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
torchf4 Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 5 hours ago, Craig Baldwin said: I had not seen this photo before, captured from the web. Cool! Is that a local fab gun camera??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Craig Baldwin Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 12 hours ago, torchf4 said: Cool! Is that a local fab gun camera??? I think there were a number of camera configurations used, some lesser known but likely brought in the proper channels. Gene K could likely shed more light on this subject, I remember him having a link to a number of camera configurations. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Craig Baldwin Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Post "shading" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
my favs are F`s Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 ... some sort of camouflage perhaps.... :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Brown Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Hi All, I had the pleasure of meeting Gary, from GT Resin, at RDUCON, today. He says he has a lot of 1/48 F-4 goodies in the works for the Z-M, Academy, and I assume Hasegawa kits. He's going to be scaling down many of his 1/32 F-4 parts and adapting them to the current crop of 1/48 kits. He specifically mentioned short afterburner nozzles for the Z-M kits, and an ALQ-101 pod. I picked up a set of intakes for the Z-M kit, and they look great! While you can probably get away with just filling the seams on the kit intakes, these will just drop in and save a lot of time and effort. The design and casting quality look every bit as good as something you'd see from DMold, which I've always thought was the gold standard for seamless intakes. I'm looking forward to picking up a set of Gary's short F-4 nozzles for the Z-M kit for my Blue Angels F-4J project. I wasn't impressed with Eduard's (nozzles too thick, PE didn't fit). Cheers! Ben (no affiliation with GT Resin, etc) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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