Mark S. Posted May 23, 2017 Author Share Posted May 23, 2017 Once again: http://millcreekconsultants.com/WP48-1.html Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B2Blain Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Mark, Do you have any pics of the decals on the Kittyhawk F-35? Curious to see the fit? Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mark S. Posted May 23, 2017 Author Share Posted May 23, 2017 Nope but maybe someone who has used the 1/72 scale set for the Academy F-35A will post a photo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gene K Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 9 hours ago, F4DPhantomII said: I keep getting NC State Wofpack in my search. Wolfpak ... not Wolfpack. Gene K Quote Link to post Share on other sites
F4DPhantomII Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 thanks Gene thats what was wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vodnik Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Buyers beware: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
F4DPhantomII Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Are the decals for the Kitty Hawk F-35A the same darker shade? I was going to place an order bur now am unsure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vodnik Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, F4DPhantomII said: Are the decals for the Kitty Hawk F-35A the same darker shade? I was going to place an order bur now am unsure. I only bought the F-35B set, so I don't know. But I would expect that they were supposed to be printed in the same color, so it is likely they are also so dark. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marv Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 I bought 48-005 (F-35A) and 48-006 (F-35B) and they are printed in the same dark grey. The grey looks very much like FS 36118 Gunship Grey. I don't know what the FS # of the RAM panels should be but these decals look a bit dark to me; I suspect the decals may be unusable due to wrong color. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vodnik Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Marv said: I bought 48-005 (F-35A) and 48-006 (F-35B) and they are printed in the same dark grey. The grey looks very much like FS 36118 Gunship Grey. I don't know what the FS # of the RAM panels should be but these decals look a bit dark to me; I suspect the decals may be unusable due to wrong color. Indeed, it is very close to 36118. Either the printer screwed up or the Wolfpak, but in either case Wolfpak should have caught the mistake and never send the decals to us... And yes, I agree that they are unusable. You would have to paint the model black to have decent contrast with these decals (interesting "what if" idea, by the way...) Edited May 30, 2017 by Vodnik Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B2Blain Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 I've seen where it is suppose to be FS36251. Mark says it is suppose to be FS36231. So I don't know. But the decals appear very dark. It look like Gunship gray to my eye too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mark S. Posted May 30, 2017 Author Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) Gentlemen, Here is a photo taken today in direct sunlight with no flash of an Academy 1/72 scale F-35. The model was painted with Sovereign Models Colourcoat enamel FS 36170 the color noted to have been used on the F-35. All greys appear darker on the decal sheet as they are contrasted by the light blue of the decal paper. Let me know if you think the contrast isn't great enough or the color too dark when the decal is placed on a completed model as in the photo. I've sold over 400 sheets in 1/72 scale without complaint. You be the judge but I suggest that you apply them to a correctly painted test strip of plastic before forming an opinion. Mark S. Wolfpak Decals Edited May 30, 2017 by Mark S. spelling Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vodnik Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) 20 minutes ago, B2Blain said: I've seen where it is suppose to be FS36251. Mark says it is suppose to be FS36231. So I don't know. But the decals appear very dark. It look like Gunship gray to my eye too. It's neither 36251 nor 26231. It is close to 36118 indeed = MUCH too dark, much darker than the 36170 the rest of the aircraft is painted. Edited May 30, 2017 by Vodnik Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vodnik Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Mark S. said: Gentlemen, Here is a photo taken today in direct sunlight with no flash of an Academy 1/72 scale F-35. The model was painted with Sovereign Models Colourcoat enamel FS 36170 the color noted to have been used on the F-35. All greys appear darker on the decal sheet as they are contrasted by the light blue of the decal paper. Let me know if you think the contrast isn't great enough or the color too dark when the decal is placed on a completed model as in the photo. I've sold over 400 sheets in 1/72 scale without complaint. You be the judge but I suggest that you apply them to a correctly painted test strip of plastic before forming an opinion. Mark S. Wolfpak Decals I don't care what the 1/72 decal looks like on your model. Please show us the 1/72 decal next to the 1/48 decal, then we will have something to discuss. I'm sure they are printed in a completely different color. And don't blame the blue background - my photos clearly show that it is not a factor in the slightest. And I believe that IT IS YOU who should test the decal on the plastic, not us. You do realize that to "apply them to a correctly painted test strip of plastic" I have to ruin the decal and would not be able to use it on the kit even if you are correct (and I'm sure you are wrong), don't you? This is your decal next to the FS 36170 official color chip in case you haven't seen the post in the other thread: The decal was apparently printed in 36118 by mistake. Just admit it and offer a solution. Damage control. Edited May 30, 2017 by Vodnik Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B2Blain Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 A side by side comparison of 1/72 and 1/48 would quickly resolve the issue. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mark S. Posted May 30, 2017 Author Share Posted May 30, 2017 The decals are the same color on both the 1/72 and 1/48th sheets. I refuse to be drawn into a discussion on merits with anyone making outlandish claims and no proof. I took a chance after 7 years to serve the 1/48th modeling community again but I can see it's not worth the effort. I will post a partial scan of both 1/48th and 1/72 scale sheets but not the entire sheet as to provide someone with the ability of and individual to copy weeks of work. Regards, Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marv Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Thanks, Mark, but I think Vodniks' post is pretty convincing...the Wolfpack F-35 decals in 1/48th are too dark. I will not be using the ones that I bought, simply because the color is wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vodnik Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, Mark S. said: The decals are the same color on both the 1/72 and 1/48th sheets. I refuse to be drawn into a discussion on merits with anyone making outlandish claims and no proof. I took a chance after 7 years to serve the 1/48th modeling community again but I can see it's not worth the effort. I will post a partial scan of both 1/48th and 1/72 scale sheets but not the entire sheet as to provide someone with the ability of and individual to copy weeks of work. Regards, Mark No proof? ROTFL... Have you actually seen all the photos I posted in the other thread or is it too much effort for you? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mark S. Posted May 30, 2017 Author Share Posted May 30, 2017 I am working the issue. It takes time. An buy the way I have a business to run. I have an email to Fantasy Printshop. When I have definitive information I will post it. Being an engineering professional of 40 years I have found to think first, obtain the facts, formulate an answer and then respond in a calm professional manner. I am sure that it may take more time that some would like but I won't be rushed. I know Ray at Fantasy in the past takes vacation this time of year so it may be a day or two before I reply. Best Regards, Mark Wolfpak Decals. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vodnik Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Mark S. said: I am working the issue. It takes time. An buy the way I have a business to run. I have an email to Fantasy Printshop. When I have definitive information I will post it. Being an engineering professional of 40 years I have found to think first, obtain the facts, formulate an answer and then respond in a calm professional manner. I am sure that it may take more time that some would like but I won't be rushed. I know Ray at Fantasy in the past takes vacation this time of year so it may be a day or two before I reply. Best Regards, Mark Wolfpak Decals. And this is the post you should have begun with. Edited May 30, 2017 by Vodnik Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B2Blain Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Thank you Mark for working on this issue. I sent you an email canceling my order. Could you hold off on sending it out as I can wait until there is resolution to the issue? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mark S. Posted May 30, 2017 Author Share Posted May 30, 2017 Gentlemen: If you have an order in to me whether shipped or not and I find that the decals are in fact too dark I'll refund your order in full or replace the decals with corrected ones. It's way to early to come to a conclusion and course of action. As I mentioned before I have sent an email to the print shop. In the past the owner of the shop vacations this week. I will post here and on my website as soon as I have more information. Additionally I have suspended sales and shipping of these sheets. Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marv Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Mark: Thanks for your help on these RAM decals. I am still enthusiastic about these decals, especially after seeing them up-close. The RAM decals are really needed for the Kitty Hawk kits, and yours are the only game in town. Thanks again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Wow guys...while still on the sheet colors bay be debatable, but once shown on the model it should be indisputable!!! The proof of the pudding is in the eating, as the saying goes, and in this case the "eating" is seeing it looking correctly on Mark's model! How can anyone argue that?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Vodnik said: I don't care what the 1/72 decal looks like on your model. Forgive me, but with all respect, that makes no sense....would that not be the best test possible? Many times what I've had on a decal sheet ended up looking very different once on the painted model (both good AND bad)....and the final appearance on the model is the point of all this discussion. May I suggest, simply try it on yours, and if it doesn't look right, remove it and then you can say so. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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