janman Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 (edited) This will be my next project. I'll start working with it as soon as possible, but first I'll try to achieve some progress on the big Tupolev. I've done some preliminary research on the subject (at this stage only based on the book seen below). I do like the basic shapes of the kit although some panel lines obviously need a bit corrective action. More details will be added for sure too and here the Kuivalainen PE set will come in handy. I'm also quite keen on adding some stressed skin effect on the mid fuselage since it's so obvious on Hawks. In this scale it must be executed quite delicately though. Unless someone releases a sheet for the new "Suomi (aka Finland) 100" Midnight Hawks scheme, this will be with classic greens over grey camo. The new special livery looks like this, albeit in unfinished form. As far as I've understood, there will be a lion somewhere on the aircraft in the near future. https://airshowinfo.hu/airshowfeed/2017/05/03/midnight-hawks-special-livery/ Edited June 1, 2017 by janman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sebastijan Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Will be watching your build with extreme interest as I am armed with basically the same "weapons" :) Do you plan to build first or second version of green over grey camo? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
janman Posted June 1, 2017 Author Share Posted June 1, 2017 I have some marking options available and my favourite choice would be the first incarnation with large roundels. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sebastijan Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 So we are going after the same thing :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
janman Posted June 1, 2017 Author Share Posted June 1, 2017 It could be worse! :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KursadA Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 7 hours ago, janman said: Unless someone releases a sheet for the new "Suomi (aka Finland) 100" Midnight Hawks scheme, this will be with classic greens over grey camo. The new special livery looks like this, albeit in unfinished form. As far as I've understood, there will be a lion somewhere on the aircraft in the near future. https://airshowinfo.hu/airshowfeed/2017/05/03/midnight-hawks-special-livery/ That's a very pretty scheme - let us wait until it takes its final form; and I will definitely consider it for a future decal sheet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trojan Thunder Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 That is a nice scheme, I would be interested in doing this for my Finnish Air Force collection. Looks like I need some more Hawk kits.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
janman Posted June 2, 2017 Author Share Posted June 2, 2017 11 hours ago, KursadA said: That's a very pretty scheme - let us wait until it takes its final form; and I will definitely consider it for a future decal sheet. I was kinda expecting, or at least hoping for this. Great to hear someone might be jumping on the bandwagon! Since we are celebrating our 100 years of independence, I'll definitely get one. On the ninth of June we will see the finished version: http://ilmailumuseo.fi/en/kaivari/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trojan Thunder Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 (edited) 14 hours ago, janman said: ...... On the ninth of June we will see the finished version: http://ilmailumuseo.fi/en/kaivari/ Be sure to post pictures! Edited June 2, 2017 by Trojan Thunder Quote Link to post Share on other sites
janman Posted June 3, 2017 Author Share Posted June 3, 2017 18 hours ago, Trojan Thunder said: Be sure to post pictures! That I will do for sure! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
janman Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share Posted June 9, 2017 Okay, I'm not quite sure what to do here. Surely the cockpit angles are way too different and thus (most probably) need fixing. Or at least this is what the PE set suggests. Has anyone done this? How does it actually affect the height of the seats and whether they still fit under the canopy etc.? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
janman Posted October 24, 2018 Author Share Posted October 24, 2018 (edited) Now that the Backfire project is finished, it's time for the Hawk again. I've been working with this from time to time and now the fuselage and wings are together. The fit has been surprisingly poor (okay this is an Airfix kit even though a pretty modern one...). I've used some plastic card on the wing seams, around the ventral fins/air brake area and on the belly where the front fuselage and the wings meet. Quite a lot of Mr. Surfacer as well on many places. Some corrections were made on the surface detail and I'm also fixing the outlets behind the cockpit. The PE louvres are from the Kuivalainen set. The interior of the intakes has two nasty location pins that come through holes on the intake inner walls and can be seen from the side view. I'm dealing with them as we speak. All in all, for such a small model, quite a lot of sanding and filling. I remember the Airfix Vampire being a much more straightforward kit in that respect. Edited October 24, 2018 by janman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
janman Posted November 1, 2018 Author Share Posted November 1, 2018 I've now restored and corrected the panel lines, added the most prominent fasteners and the very visible rivet lines on the aftbody. The wing fences are pieces of PE and fit quite well. I've never used PE for fences before cause I've always thought they are a bit flimsy but now I was positively surprised. Thise seats are finished too - apart from the top of the headrests. I had a pair of old and pretty crude Aeroclub white metal seats which needed *a lot* of cleaning. They benefited from some PE detail parts and work quite well now. They are too tall for the pit though. Some further fixing ahead. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hoops Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Great looking progress, I'm looking forward to seeing the completed build! Cheers, Hoops Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sabre45 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Nice Hawk . Han Quote Link to post Share on other sites
janman Posted November 4, 2018 Author Share Posted November 4, 2018 Thanks, fellas! It was obvious the MLG door that is hinged on the ventral fuselage just simply didn't look like the real thing. Here's a scratched prototype with a wash to accentuate the details and the original part. The finished part won't need any wash since the inner face of the door was kept quite clean and the wash here actually makes the round recess a bit too pronounced. So, these doors are plain wrong on the kit ...but so are the ones attached on to the gear legs too. More scratch building ahead. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sebastijan Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 following closely - lots of useful info I'll be copying to mine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
janman Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 I'm honoured if that's the case. 😀 On 11/5/2018 at 11:34 AM, Sebastijan said: following closely - lots of useful info I'll be copying to mine. Anyways, the Hawk is now primed. This is often a threshold of some sort for me since mixing the right shades of colours can be such a nightmare. Luckily there is still a lot of work with different detail parts so the final paint can wait. The work with MLG doors continues. Here's a prototype for the part attached on the gear legs (obviously with the smaller part still missing). As you can guess, the part on the right is the kit part. Immediately discarded! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sebastijan Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 got some really cool paints prepared for mine! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
janman Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, Sebastijan said: got some really cool paints prepared for mine! Oh, may I ask what exactly? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sebastijan Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 20 hours ago, janman said: Oh, may I ask what exactly? I've got a suggestion for the following paints, but they are, as you know it already, airbrush only. But they my give you some direction. I'll have to make a test if they're really suitable sometime in near future. MRP-218 Dark Olive Drab 328 (Swedish paint standard) MRP-228 Aircraft Grey-Green BS283 (British paint standard) MRP-098 Light Gull Gray FS36440 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
janman Posted November 7, 2018 Author Share Posted November 7, 2018 Okay, so I was on the right track since after your input I immediately tried to find something from either Mr. Paint or, as a second choice, from Akan. Naturally, they don't provide anything for modern FinAF as such. The greens might work and just come to think of it, so might the grey too. Only now did I realize the British 627 is (or is very close to) the US Navy Light Gull Grey! I'll mix mine from Humbrols, White Ensigns and MMs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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