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Can I make a MiG-23BN out of the Trump MiG-23MF? I suppose you can do anything, but I want one reasonably accurate.

I bought a MiG-23MF (in a MiG-23ML box, no less) off a guy a couple years ago and recently got the Cold War Studios' MiG-23BN upgrade, which has the complete new, accurate nose for the attack version. Don't know anything about MiG-23s, so need some help.

 

Or does anyone want to trade a BN for an MF?

 

Bob in Louisville

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Hey Bob,

 

Hate to say, COMPLETELY different noses, not even remotely similar. A simple online search will show you very quickly how different they are. 

 

Basically the MF is the interceptor/fighter version with large radome for air search radar, etc.

BN is the ground-attack version with NO huge radome, in fact a completely redesigned nose with a downward slant for attack visibility and a sort of "duck bill" at the tip.

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He mentioned the CW nose. With this it's possible, I'd say, at least MUCH better than Trumpy's BN. The BN is closer to M than to MF, depending on your desired level of accuracy you have to add/modify some smaller things. Don't forget the nose wheels!

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17 minutes ago, Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy said:

Hey Bob,

 

Hate to say, COMPLETELY different noses, not even remotely similar. A simple online search will show you very quickly how different they are. 

 

Basically the MF is the interceptor/fighter version with large radome for air search radar, etc.

BN is the ground-attack version with NO huge radome, in fact a completely redesigned nose with a downward slant for attack visibility and a sort of "duck bill" at the tip.

 

Well, I'm not a COMPLETE idiot, Andy, LOL. I know about the noses, that's why I mentioned that I have the Cold War Studios BN nose upgrade. Got that Saturday. SO the question is, Can I just stick the CWS BN nose on the front of the MiG-23MF? What about the intakes and exhaust? Are they different?

 

Bob the Idiot in Louisville

 

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13 minutes ago, Floggerman said:

He mentioned the CW nose. With this it's possible, I'd say, at least MUCH better than Trumpy's BN. The BN is closer to M than to MF, depending on your desired level of accuracy you have to add/modify some smaller things. Don't forget the nose wheels!

 

Thanks Floggerman, that's the advice I needed. What about the nose wheels? What's the deal with them and how do I fix it?

 

Bob in Louisville

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5 minutes ago, sierrascale said:

 

Well, I'm not a COMPLETE idiot, Andy, LOL. I know about the noses, that's why I mentioned that I have the Cold War Studios BN nose upgrade. Got that Saturday. SO the question is, Can I just stick the CWS BN nose on the front of the MiG-23MF? What about the intakes and exhaust? Are they different?

 

Bob the Idiot in Louisville

 

 

Apologies, wasn't trying to offend, just didn't know what your knowledge base was here. A year ago I couldn't tell one Spitfire variant from another, simply b/c it wasn't my area. 

 

Intakes fortunately are the same on all 23's, there's a good start there. 

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6 minutes ago, Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy said:

 

Apologies, wasn't trying to offend, just didn't know what your knowledge base was here. A year ago I couldn't tell one Spitfire variant from another, simply b/c it wasn't my area. 

 

Intakes fortunately are the same on all 23's, there's a good start there. 

 

No problem, Andy, I knew you meant well. Nice to know about the intakes, though, thanks.

 

Already have decals for an Indian MiG-23BN and color pages ripped from a Koku-Fan showing InAF MiG-23BNs in the eighties. So I guess I'm good to go. Would you recommend a cockpit upgrade? Eduard?

 

Bob in Louisville

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Using the CW nose will give you something that 'looks like a BN', however if you want it to be as accurate as possible, you'd still be better off starting with the BN kit.  ML has exhaust petals (see pic); BN does not (see pic), for a start.  There are also intake splitter differences, IIRC.

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5 minutes ago, Laurent said:

Engine nozzle is different:

- petals external in the MF: http://walkaround.rajce.idnes.cz/MiG-23MF_Flogger/#MiG-23MF_JP_001.jpg

- internal petals in the BN: http://www.b-domke.de/AviationImages/Flogger/25798.html

 

Thanks, Laurent. Quick google doesn't show any aftermarket BN exhausts, though. Hmmm.

 

Bob

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5 minutes ago, MoFo said:

Using the CW nose will give you something that 'looks like a BN', however if you want it to be as accurate as possible, you'd still be better off starting with the BN kit.  ML has exhaust petals (see pic); BN does not (see pic), for a start.  There are also intake splitter differences, IIRC.

 

Thanks Mo, perhaps some ApoxySculpt would do the trick and smooth out the exhaust.

 

Bob in Louisville.

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46 minutes ago, Andreas Beck said:

Often forgotten: The BN had bigger nose wheels and thus the ldg gear doors were different.

 

So, the question is: does the Trumpeter BN kit have the bigger nose wheels/doors and exhaust without the petals?

 

Bob

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On 3.7.2017 at 9:15 PM, sierrascale said:

 

So, the question is: does the Trumpeter BN kit have the bigger nose wheels/doors and exhaust without the petals?

 

Bob

Of course not! Wheels should be available from AM (front wheels same as MiG-29), doors with bulges must be scratched, I'm afrait.

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On 3.7.2017 at 9:15 PM, sierrascale said:

 

So, the question is: does the Trumpeter BN kit have the bigger nose wheels/doors and exhaust without the petals?

 

Bob

Of course not! Wheels should be available from AM (front wheels same as MiG-29), doors with bulges must be scratched, I'm afrait.

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1 hour ago, Floggerman said:

Of course not! Wheels should be available from AM (front wheels same as MiG-29), doors with bulges must be scratched, I'm afrait.

Not surprised. Trump/Hobby Boss normally doesn't change details between different version kits.

 

Thanks for the info.

 

Bob in Louisville

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