jabow Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Perfect timing!! I'm about to finish a F-105D flown by a friend /neighbor in 1968 Thailand. I have 3 of the Kitty Hawk Hueys and I'm Hot to Trot!! Bo Demon 68. (U'll NEVER guess which one I'll build, first!!) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
anvil6 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) any updates? edit: derp, never mind, i missed the last post on the previous page. looking forward to it! -Ramon Edited August 17, 2017 by anvil6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Floyd S. Werner, Jr. Posted August 17, 2017 Author Share Posted August 17, 2017 5 hours ago, anvil6 said: any updates? edit: derp, never mind, i missed the last post on the previous page. looking forward to it! Yup here you go. WW Decals 48-14-Ride of the Valkyries- UH-1D/H in Vietnam. Floyd Scheduled to arrive on 21 August and should be available by my birthday on the 23rd. Resin may take a little longer. Floyd Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Sweet looking decals Floyd. You, Mason, Ray and all the guys did an outstanding job! August 23rd huh? Ha, mines the 24th! I love the white Huey. It reminds me of the Flatiron Hueys. Hopefully those markings will come out soon! Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Floyd S. Werner, Jr. Posted August 17, 2017 Author Share Posted August 17, 2017 1 hour ago, hawkwrench said: I love the white Huey. It reminds me of the Flatiron Hueys. Hopefully those markings will come out soon The next sheet will have at least one Flatiron on it. Floyd Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CharlieUH-1H Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 3 hours ago, Floyd S. Werner, Jr. said: Yup here you go. WW Decals 48-14-Ride of the Valkyries- UH-1D/H in Vietnam. Floyd Scheduled to arrive on 21 August and should be available by my birthday on the 23rd. Resin may take a little longer. Floyd This is basically the most cool stuff I have see in years the other nations Huey will be on the other set ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Floyd S. Werner, Jr. Posted August 18, 2017 Author Share Posted August 18, 2017 1 hour ago, CharlieUH-1H said: This is basically the most cool stuff I have see in years the other nations Huey will be on the other set ? Actually the next sheet will still be all US Vietnam and beyond, maybe another Aussie one from Vietnam. You will definitely see more with toilet bowl exhausts and later H stuff. The Mickey Mouse Medevac will be on this sheet. Air America, Navy, Air Force, Vietnamese (at least two), Flat Iron, maybe a school house one, and a National Guard. The third sheet will be all foreign. I plan on El Salvador, Philipinees, New Zealand, UN. Maybe a German one but DF Models out of Germany is doing all of them so no need to duplicate the work. We'll see what else I can come up with by then. So if you have a Huey that you'd like to see now is the time to email or PM me so I can get it on the list. I make no promises that they will be included but if I don't have the information you can guarantee they won't be included. Floyd Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CharlieUH-1H Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 17 hours ago, Floyd S. Werner, Jr. said: Actually the next sheet will still be all US Vietnam and beyond, maybe another Aussie one from Vietnam. You will definitely see more with toilet bowl exhausts and later H stuff. The Mickey Mouse Medevac will be on this sheet. Air America, Navy, Air Force, Vietnamese (at least two), Flat Iron, maybe a school house one, and a National Guard. The third sheet will be all foreign. I plan on El Salvador, Philipinees, New Zealand, UN. Maybe a German one but DF Models out of Germany is doing all of them so no need to duplicate the work. We'll see what else I can come up with by then. So if you have a Huey that you'd like to see now is the time to email or PM me so I can get it on the list. I make no promises that they will be included but if I don't have the information you can guarantee they won't be included. Floyd Thanks! I was the one who email you about the Mickey Mouse! and it will be on! that is amazing! and El Salvador! awesome! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HUEYHOG Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 (edited) I'm curious about the orange elevators, is there a reason for the making them orange? Tim Edited August 19, 2017 by HUEYHOG Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Floyd S. Werner, Jr. Posted August 19, 2017 Author Share Posted August 19, 2017 9 hours ago, HUEYHOG said: I'm curious about the orange elevators, is there a reason for the making them orange? It is so aircraft overhead can find you. The helicopter is camouflaged and difficult to see. The orange isn't a natural color to see so it was easier to see them. Also in a crash it would be easier to see hopefully. Floyd Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Mignard Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Concerning the orange sync elevators, this was mandated by Army Technical Bulletin TB 746-93-2. It mandated that on Hueys, the tops of the snyc elevators would be painted international orange (not dayglo) and the top of one main rotor would be painted white, while the top of the other main rotor blade would be painted black. These conspicuity markings were an attempt to make Army aircraft more visible to "fast movers" after a number of mid-airs. The TB applied to all camouflaged Army aircraft (including fixed wing) and you'll see orange and white panels on most army aircraft during the 1969-1970 timeframe. The markings were only visible from above; seen from below, they were all OD. By far the most successful effort was the black/white rotor blades; it made the Hueys visible from above from miles away. Sometime in the early 70's the Army went away from these conspicuity markings, but I don't know when (or why). As always, there were wide variations in application. Mig Quote Link to post Share on other sites
salvador001 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 My favs are options 1, 3, 8 and 11. Will build all of them. Rod. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Floyd S. Werner, Jr. Posted August 22, 2017 Author Share Posted August 22, 2017 Just so you know. Option 3 should be C Company not A Company. The decals are being packaged up. I'll be adding the Spider to my build today. By the end of the week I'll have the ARC-102 HF antennas and the decals available. I'll be releasing the Anti-Strella and the UH-1H Upgrades later, as well as the correction set. As soon as I have the correction set I'll be releasing that. The others will probably come out when we have the second decal sheet, but we'll see. Maybe sooner. I do like to release the decals and resin together. It is a good time to be a Huey modeler. Floyd Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BrittMac Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Happy Birthday Floyd. Mine is in a couple days. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Floyd S. Werner, Jr. Posted August 24, 2017 Author Share Posted August 24, 2017 13 hours ago, BrittMac said: Happy Birthday Floyd. Mine is in a couple days. Thanks and happy belated birthday Floyd Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rotorwash Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 On 8/21/2017 at 7:07 PM, Rob Mignard said: Concerning the orange sync elevators, this was mandated by Army Technical Bulletin TB 746-93-2. It mandated that on Hueys, the tops of the snyc elevators would be painted international orange (not dayglo) and the top of one main rotor would be painted white, while the top of the other main rotor blade would be painted black. These conspicuity markings were an attempt to make Army aircraft more visible to "fast movers" after a number of mid-airs. The TB applied to all camouflaged Army aircraft (including fixed wing) and you'll see orange and white panels on most army aircraft during the 1969-1970 timeframe. The markings were only visible from above; seen from below, they were all OD. By far the most successful effort was the black/white rotor blades; it made the Hueys visible from above from miles away. Sometime in the early 70's the Army went away from these conspicuity markings, but I don't know when (or why). As always, there were wide variations in application. Mig Mig, Thanks for the info on the technical Bulletin. I have looked at lots and lots of Vietnam pics and have certainly seen the all white blades, but it seems that plenty of units still used the OD upper blades with 6 inch yellow tips even in 69/70. As you say, "wide variations in application." The orange sync elevators seem to have been adopted much more readily though. Ray Quote Link to post Share on other sites
huey_crew_chief Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 (edited) 27 minutes ago, rotorwash said: Mig, Thanks for the info on the technical Bulletin. I have looked at lots and lots of Vietnam pics and have certainly seen the all white blades, but it seems that plenty of units still used the OD upper blades with 6 inch yellow tips even in 69/70. As you say, "wide variations in application." The orange sync elevators seem to have been adopted much more readily though. Ray The orange sync elevators were used until the the late 80s in a lot of NG units. Edited August 26, 2017 by huey_crew_chief Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Mignard Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Glad to be of help. I flew with the 92nd AHC from May 69 to May 70. I don't recall seeing any Hueys without the white/black blades during my tour (of course it has been 48 years; maybe I don't remember). I flew primarily in the Central Highlands (II Corps); what went on in the other CTZ's I'm unaware of. Mig Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rotorwash Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 57 minutes ago, Rob Mignard said: Glad to be of help. I flew with the 92nd AHC from May 69 to May 70. I don't recall seeing any Hueys without the white/black blades during my tour (of course it has been 48 years; maybe I don't remember). I flew primarily in the Central Highlands (II Corps); what went on in the other CTZ's I'm unaware of. Mig Mig, Interesting. This pic from CW2 Jim Broderick shows a Sidekick gunship from either 68 or 69 and you can see the white stripe in the middle of the blade. I have seen this much more commonly than the entire blade painted white. My dad served with the 190th AHC in III Corp in 68-69. I know they were painting at least the white stripes on the blades by 69/70. Ray Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JesusNut Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Dad was with the 195th in 69/70 and he told me they had the top of the blades painted one black and one white. However, I have not seen any pictures of his with the orange elevators. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Mignard Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Ray, you're correct; this photo is from 1968. At that time, the white stripes were mandated. The Army found them to be less than adequate and went on to amend the TB to one white and one black. I'm not sure the date that this happened (I wasn't there then); but by mid 69, they all had the black/white blades. You'll notice in the photo of 113 that it doesn't have the orange sync elevators, nor does it have the company/battalion markings on the pilots doors and sync elevators. The "Stallion" emblem is on the rear of the tail boom in white, and the logo on the doors says "92 AHC" with Army pilot wings in the middle. These were all changed with the release of the updated Tech Bulletin. As a follow-up to your photo, the "Coors" cans suffered a tube burnout and became unusable. 113 then got the "Budweiser" cans and flew with them until it was shot down in mid-70 (one of the tail rotor pitch change links were destroyed, making the helicopter uncontrollable). When I arrived at the 92nd, 113 had all of the TB changes in place. On the subject of the jump doors with no windows; these first appeared on the 69 H model Hueys. I don't know which tail number they started with. Mig Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rotorwash Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 13 hours ago, Rob Mignard said: Ray, you're correct; this photo is from 1968. At that time, the white stripes were mandated. The Army found them to be less than adequate and went on to amend the TB to one white and one black. I'm not sure the date that this happened (I wasn't there then); but by mid 69, they all had the black/white blades. You'll notice in the photo of 113 that it doesn't have the orange sync elevators, nor does it have the company/battalion markings on the pilots doors and sync elevators. The "Stallion" emblem is on the rear of the tail boom in white, and the logo on the doors says "92 AHC" with Army pilot wings in the middle. These were all changed with the release of the updated Tech Bulletin. As a follow-up to your photo, the "Coors" cans suffered a tube burnout and became unusable. 113 then got the "Budweiser" cans and flew with them until it was shot down in mid-70 (one of the tail rotor pitch change links were destroyed, making the helicopter uncontrollable). When I arrived at the 92nd, 113 had all of the TB changes in place. On the subject of the jump doors with no windows; these first appeared on the 69 H model Hueys. I don't know which tail number they started with. Mig Mig, Thanks for the info. Finding shots of tops of rotor blades is tough. I did find this shot taken by Randall Unruh of a bird hit by a satchel charge at Dong Ba Thin on March 7, 1970. You can see the orange tops on the sync elevators, but both rotor blades look to be black with yellow tips. Anyway, I find this stuff interesting. Was there any difference between the way the rotors were painted on the guns and the slicks? I am assuming not. Ray Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rotorwash Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Mig, I finally found one where you can see the white blade (on the slick in the background). Photo is from Roger rich, a Sidekick pilot. Taken between 69 and 71. Ray Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Mignard Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Ray, thanks for the photo. That H model was brand new 69 model (less than a week in the company) when it was destroyed. Although it's got the orange snyc elevators; you'll notice that the battalion/company numbers aren't present, nor are the platoon colors (yellow for first platoon; blue for second platoon), or the 17th Group red/white/blue bands. We didn't have time to paint everything before it was blown up. Again, there were wide variations in how much and which markings were applied. Our Charley models were painted in very dark glossy OD (darker than the old factory applied gloss OD). The gun platoon used white as a platoon color. They carried the same conspicuity markings as the H models. Send me an e-mail (migflier@aol.com) and I'll send you more information. Mig Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Mignard Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Here's a photo of the black/white rotors. Mig Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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