zark Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Hi everybody...!!! Well, I am the happy owner of the Su-33 from kinetic. I am planning to built the J-15 with the help of the Dream models conversion set. As always I am planning a diorama along the lines that the following photos show, the J-15 on the elevator. My biggest problem is that I don't have any dimensions available...ok I can estimate those, but nothing accurate, and my second problem is that I don't have any detailed photos of the actual elevator...anyone???...heeeelp...pleeeeease!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Zrak, I can't help you directly - but the elevator on the Liaoning is presumably the same as that on Kuznetsov (they are sister ships). Trumpeter do a 1/350 scale Kuznetsov - so you can find the dimensions from that kit.... https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.JOjSNpxZgrR_1FI2BDEx_wEsEF&pid=15.1 Sorry I can't be more helpful - note the folded nose pitot on the J-15, someting unique to Su-33/J-15. Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
afspret Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 from this angle it looks like the nose cone ain't gonna clear the edge the upper edge of the hanger deck opening, and it looks like they don't have enough room to back the a/c any more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 It's a trick of the angle - the nosecone (with its foldable pitot) clearly will just clear the deck edge with inches to spare. They aren't that stoopid. This photos shows the same scene - but from inside the hangar :- There are a few videos out there shwowing J-15 ops - including the elevator travel - see this one :- Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zark Posted August 4, 2017 Author Share Posted August 4, 2017 Thanks guys...!!!...Thank God a friend got the Trumpeter kit of the aircraft carrier, so I will have some "input" on the dimensions/shape issues of the elevator. Now...since you all noticed the folded pitot...any ideas how I will have to represent that ?...is it as simple as "cut&drop"... Oooo...I wish...what do you think... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Grey Ghost 531 Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 15 hours ago, afspret said: from this angle it looks like the nose cone ain't gonna clear the edge the upper edge of the hanger deck opening, and it looks like they don't have enough room to back the a/c any more. I'm betting that line on the deck perpendicular to the aircraft is the "your nose wheel must be behind this line to avoid smashing your radome" line. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zark Posted August 4, 2017 Author Share Posted August 4, 2017 Good point Grey Ghost...I'll remember that when I paint the "deck"...!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 The folded nose pitot is included in the Trumpeter 1/72 scale J-15 ....(next to the LH wheel).... This photo shows it on a Su-33....http://i.imgur.com/HSXNrlp.jpg .... and here it is unfolded.... Happy Flankering. Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Grey Ghost 531 Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 I find it interesting that they use that dark red orange and black deck edge marking. Is that just to avoid using the decadent west's yellow and black? Do PLAN carriers use red lighting during night ops? Do dark red orange and black deck edge markings turn into black and black deck edge markings under red light? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zark Posted August 5, 2017 Author Share Posted August 5, 2017 HHHmmm...very interesting remarks Grey Ghost...Actually the only reason I decided to built the J-15 diorama are all these colours present...plus the "yellow" one I am planning to built...I just love the weathering on this frame...!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 Note that the wingtip launch rails are BELOW (or level with) the fin tips - as you would expect. I've seen a number of finished models of Su-33's (or J-15's) with the wings not properly folded enough and sticking up above the fins. Something to watch out for if the kit wing fold isn't quite correct. Ken PS - The J-15 wingtip launch rails are deeper than those on the Su-33 (to cater for the Chinese PL-10 missile) - so clearance must be even tighter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zark Posted August 6, 2017 Author Share Posted August 6, 2017 Thanks for the note Ken...I'll keep it in my mind!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
southwestforests Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 On 8/5/2017 at 7:28 AM, Grey Ghost 531 said: Do dark red orange and black deck edge markings turn into black and black deck edge markings under red light? I would expect red light would make red things look white. A red night lighting story from Dad: one night back during the cold war when he went for a night time turn as officer of the deck, on I no longer remember what ship, he went to make a log entry and there was nothing from a recent watch. Nothing, just a blank page. Somehow someone eventually had a brainstorm and they illuminated the page with other than red light. Turned out red ink had been used to write the entry. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foxmulder_ms Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 On 8/6/2017 at 10:28 AM, southwestforests said: I would expect red light would make red things look white. A red night lighting story from Dad: one night back during the cold war when he went for a night time turn as officer of the deck, on I no longer remember what ship, he went to make a log entry and there was nothing from a recent watch. Nothing, just a blank page. Somehow someone eventually had a brainstorm and they illuminated the page with other than red light. Turned out red ink had been used to write the entry. Absolutely.. In dark, under red light you cannot distinguish red objects from white ones. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zark Posted August 8, 2017 Author Share Posted August 8, 2017 Soooooo...!!!...what's the point of using red "paint" instead of "yellow" in the Chinese carrier....??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
southwestforests Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 (edited) 51 minutes ago, zark said: Soooooo...!!!...what's the point of using red "paint" instead of "yellow" in the Chinese carrier....??? I guess someone will have to write the Chinese asking them that. http://eng.mod.gov.cn/about-us/node_48469.htm Appears to advise to go to below to contact them http://english.chinamil.com.cn/contact-us/index.htm Edited August 8, 2017 by southwestforests Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zark Posted August 8, 2017 Author Share Posted August 8, 2017 LoL...!!!...I am going to send them my questions in "Greek"...and they will answer me back in "Chinese"...!!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
southwestforests Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 2 hours ago, zark said: LoL...!!!...I am going to send them my questions in "Greek"...and they will answer me back in "Chinese"...!!!!! Google translate will make short work of that. ;) I guess while you are asking them things, inquire what the favorite snack food aboard ship is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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