flybywire Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Laurent said: This also ? That's what Dmanton300 was talking about I believe. I wonder where those indistinct rivets/panel lines are going to? They just seem to disappear into the thin air..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raptor71 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 47 minutes ago, haneto said: Semplice. Perché quelli sono a bassa risoluzione foto da telefoni cellulari. and with a bad focus .... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
goondman Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 4 hours ago, ya-gabor said: Well this is what one can expect in the box of the G.W.H Su-35S kit. Hope you like it. First of all The box main sprues cockpit parts Cockpit tab tires The canopy sprue Best regards Gabor Thx Gabor! Can't wait to get my grubby hands on this one!!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nicholassagan Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 EXCITING STUFF. Did I miss a comment about the release date? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
goondman Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 21 minutes ago, nicholassagan said: EXCITING STUFF. Did I miss a comment about the release date? February is what's being said Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PanzerG Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Gabor, could you please post more good pictures? Especially of the gun area and the place between the engines? All the pics we can see on Facebook and in the last posts make me hope that it is only test sprues. In some place panel lines are far too deep and in other they almost disappear... what can we think? Please show me that my fears are ridiculous. Thanks a lot. PZR Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vaildog Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 2 hours ago, PanzerG said: Gabor, could you please post more good pictures? Especially of the gun area and the place between the engines? All the pics we can see on Facebook and in the last posts make me hope that it is only test sprues. In some place panel lines are far too deep and in other they almost disappear... what can we think? Please show me that my fears are ridiculous. Thanks a lot. PZR Given how good the details on their Mig-29 and F-15 kits are, I'm not concerned. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MoFo Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Better photos have already been posted, about halfway down this page: 8 hours ago, ching kuo said: Link = with good photos : https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5457163998?pn=9 Kind of surprised at the backlash over the FB photo - it's *obviously* a crappy pic - high magnification, low resolution, high compression, out of focus, terrible lighting... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Matt Foley Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 49 minutes ago, Vaildog said: Given how good the details on their Mig-29 and F-15 kits are, I'm not concerned. Word Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 3 hours ago, PanzerG said: Gabor, could you please post more good pictures? Especially of the gun area and the place between the engines? All the pics we can see on Facebook and in the last posts make me hope that it is only test sprues. In some place panel lines are far too deep and in other they almost disappear... what can we think? Please show me that my fears are ridiculous. Thanks a lot. PZR For the moment you have to do with these pictures. Photos by Haneto. Have no idea what is shown on facebook as I refuse to be part of this madness. Here are few views with some explanation on what is what. The overlapping panels are authentically reproduced which on most kits would be a simple engraved panel line. There are different service panels all over the aircraft as well as joint lines of surface panels. In some cases they are represented in a different way as required to reproduce the real surface. The same applies to rivets, screws (round head or flat), fast locks, they are all different size! Have to admit that I have no idea how many versions were used in the end, have to count the variations which were incorporated into the kit. Yes, you are right, on the bottom surface a lot of panel lines, rivet lines go into nowhere. The reason is simple, what you see here is just part of the kit, it is a sub assembly. When all the different parts find their place it will be clear where those “renitent lines” go to. Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Matt Foley Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 22 hours ago, B.Sin said: They do carrie AMK kit's. I was told today that Spruebrothers was selected to be GWH's USA Distributor. I sent them an email to ask confirmation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.Sin Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Mr Matt Foley said: I was told today that Spruebrothers was selected to be GWH's USA Distributor. I sent them an email to ask confirmation. Word. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.Sin Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, ya-gabor said: For the moment you have to do with these pictures. Photos by Haneto. Have no idea what is shown on facebook as I refuse to be part of this madness. Here are few views with some explanation on what is what. The overlapping panels are authentically reproduced which on most kits would be a simple engraved panel line. There are different service panels all over the aircraft as well as joint lines of surface panels. In some cases they are represented in a different way as required to reproduce the real surface. The same applies to rivets, screws (round head or flat), fast locks, they are all different size! Have to admit that I have no idea how many versions were used in the end, have to count the variations which were incorporated into the kit. Yes, you are right, on the bottom surface a lot of panel lines, rivet lines go into nowhere. The reason is simple, what you see here is just part of the kit, it is a sub assembly. When all the different parts find their place it will be clear where those “renitent lines” go to. Best regards Gabor Gabor, What about those gun vents and that area in general? It does look a little soft. Brad Edited January 16, 2018 by B.Sin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DarkKnight Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 how come Hasegawa never gets ripped up like this on the forums? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.Sin Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, DarkKnight said: how come Hasegawa never gets ripped up like this on the forums? WORD. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scooby Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 12 minutes ago, DarkKnight said: how come Hasegawa never gets ripped up like this on the forums? Because they haven’t produced a new kit in a hundred years. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foxmulder_ms Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 It looks very attractive :)Will buy one. When they bring up one with the Chinese decals, I will buy that one too. Cannot wait. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PanzerG Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I could not go to tieba.baidu until this morning, and what I saw is excellent. BUT I did not find a picture of the gun area. Haneto posted one on this topic but the panel lines seem to be too light, maybe because of the focus? That's why I ask for another one. AND I also have GWH Mig 29 and F 15 kits, they are the best kits of these aircrafts however they also have little drawbacks: for example, the Mig has panel lines not deep enough (and a little wrong)...on the sides of the cockpit. Anyway the subject is Su-35, it looks great and thanks Gabor for your explanation. I say again, it looks great! PZR Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dmanton300 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 6 hours ago, DarkKnight said: how come Hasegawa never gets ripped up like this on the forums? Because Hasegawa doesn't generally spend a year showing every detail of upcoming kits on forums and telling how stunningly perfect in every possible way it will be. They don't raise expectations and build anticipation through the use of forums and contributors. That's fine if it's your policy, but when the result doesn't match the hype (and it rarely does 100%) then you are open to people noticing and commenting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) Hasegawa is much more conservative in their tooling approach also. I think detail level is lower because they stick to the CNC machine capability domain. Imagine that the CNC machine used to cut the EDM electrodes is of the 3-axis type. This implies that the cutter will always be perpendicular to the base plane, it only moves along X/Y/Z, it cannot be tilted. Now you have to tool a curved EDM electrode that'll be used to make a fuselage half part for example. The 3-axis CNC will allow you to make the shape but not consistent surface details: in order to obtain circular "rivets", the tool must be perpendicular to the surface...but this cannot be done on 3-axis CNC as the tool (or the plane to which the copper block is attached to) cannot be tilted. If you try to make rivets near part's base, you'll end up with elliptical rivets. Panel lines depth and width are likely be unconsistent with the panel lines of flat areas (wings, fins, stabilizers, etc) also. My belief is that producers like Hasegawa do not want to go beyond what the CNC machines that are used can do nicely. They want to remain in their comfort zone, they don't want unconsistent surface detailing. Chinese producers often see things differently. Edited January 17, 2018 by Laurent Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dafixer Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Laurent said: Hasegawa is much more conservative in their tooling approach also. I think detail level is lower because they stick to the CNC machine capability domain. Imagine that the CNC machine used to cut the EDM electrodes is of the 3-axis type. This implies that the cutter will always be perpendicular to the base plane, it only moves along X/Y/Z, it cannot be tilted. Now you have to tool a curved EDM electrode that'll be used to make a fuselage half part for example. The 3-axis CNC will allow you to make the shape but not consistent surface details: in order to obtain circular "rivets", the tool must be perpendicular to the surface...but this cannot be done on 3-axis CNC as the tool (or the plane to which the copper block is attached to) cannot be tilted. If you try to make rivets near part's base, you'll end up with elliptical rivets. Panel lines depth and width are likely be unconsistent with the panel lines of flat areas (wings, fins, stabilizers, etc) also. My belief is that producers like Hasegawa do not want to go beyond what the CNC machines that are used can do nicely. They want to remain in their comfort zone, they don't want unconsistent surface detailing. Chinese producers often see things differently. While 3-axis CNC machines still very common, so are 5-axis. How do you think those "curved EDM electrodes" are made? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 33 minutes ago, Dafixer said: While 3-axis CNC machines still very common, so are 5-axis. How do you think those "curved EDM electrodes" are made? Look at the surface detailing of the top of the intake parts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Last time I have said that I can show only what I have. Be patient please. Here is a curved surface with all sorts of details on it. Lines, rivets looks consistent even at the base of the curve. Here are the “other” sprues. All the bits and pieces and missiles. The engine cover one piece parts made with the “primitive” slide-mould technology. Of course you will see a hairline joint on the surface which should be easy to sand off without damaging the surrounding area. The nose gear door with place marked out for the de-icing alcohol container which is fitted to the current production airframes and retrofitted to most early production one. To go with it a de-icing sprinkler in front of the windshield is provided as a decal. Here there is a choice for the modellers if they want to make the earlier electric de-icing version the alcohol container should be left off and the heater filaments added on the windscreen in the form of a decal. Nose gear bay Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Matt Foley Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 11 hours ago, B.Sin said: Word. They responded back and are the new distributor here in the USA. They expect a small initial shipment of GWH products soon including the Oregpn National Guard F-15C. I'm certain SB will take care of modellers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, Mr Matt Foley said: They responded back and are the new distributor here in the USA. They expect a small initial shipment of GWH products soon including the Oregpn National Guard F-15C. I'm certain SB will take care of modellers. Yes, it is the Spruebrothers. Now they need to solve the UK question. Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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