1/48 - Sukhoi Su-35 "Flanker-E" by Great Wall Hobby

[airsupremacist]

while we are at this, what colour should be used for the su-35? especially if it's gonna be in mr hobby colors? and how accurate?

[ya-gabor]

Thanks for the comments. I believe that apart from manufacturing it is just as important to show what the given kit is like, advantages, what it is made of, how it was designed, ideas behind it and also who made it possible. Personally I would have like to start showing the kit much earlier to have time before its release to show what modellers can expect. I am just researcher in this project so it is not my decision “when to speak”. Just as release date, price and such are all up to the manufacturer.

 

Question was raised about a pilot figure in the kit. Some modellers like it, some don’t but the one who makes the decision is the manufacturer. It is a question of taste. Some manufacturers do it, others don’t. It is as simple as that.

 

For me as a modeller it was very interesting, a lot of fun and a hell of a lot of work in the past years to be part of this project and have a say in what is made in the kit and how it looks like.  I can only speak for myself but believe the same goes for Haneto too. It is fascinating to be able to add designs into a kit which one expects to see or is hoping that the manufacturer will make in a plastic scale kit in year 2017. But we have to keep a balance between the wants and what can be actually made in a given scale with the available technology. Believe me I would have still had more ideas . . .     

 

With the “info packs” I try to show bits and pieces of the kit, give a bit of background, some inside stories of what the particular parts are for, why they are like that and where the original information comes from. Hope it is of interest to modellers. And also hope that there are still some interesting things that I can show in the days, weeks to come.

 

Of course the design work was not a smooth sailing. Have to have in mind that participants are all over the world. They are thousands of kilometres and time zones apart. There are language barriers as well as cultural. I hope people will like the end result which I have to add is not 100%. We always want more!

Any manufacturer claiming that their product is 100% and perfect is telling lies! It is inevitable that some mistakes will creep in, information lost along the lines, will go unnoticed or be a simple fluke of a computer program where data is lost between Mk.57 and Mk.58 modifications/corrections.  Believe me there were many stages in this work till we arrived to plastic parts.    

 

The G.W.H Su-35S is a plastic kit from modellers for modellers.  

 

Concerning the tinted canopy. Yes, this was pointed out several times to the manufacturer. The final decision is not made by me.

 

 

Best regards

Gabor

[neffan01]

1 hour ago, ya-gabor said:

Thanks for the comments. I believe that apart from manufacturing it is just as important to show what the given kit is like, advantages, what it is made of, how it was designed, ideas behind it and also who made it possible. Personally I would have like to start showing the kit much earlier to have time before its release to show what modellers can expect. I am just researcher in this project so it is not my decision “when to speak”. Just as release date, price and such are all up to the manufacturer.

 

Question was raised about a pilot figure in the kit. Some modellers like it, some don’t but the one who makes the decision is the manufacturer. It is a question of taste. Some manufacturers do it, others don’t. It is as simple as that.

 

For me as a modeller it was very interesting, a lot of fun and a hell of a lot of work in the past years to be part of this project and have a say in what is made in the kit and how it looks like.  I can only speak for myself but believe the same goes for Haneto too. It is fascinating to be able to add designs into a kit which one expects to see or is hoping that the manufacturer will make in a plastic scale kit in year 2017. But we have to keep a balance between the wants and what can be actually made in a given scale with the available technology. Believe me I would have still had more ideas . . .     

 

With the “info packs” I try to show bits and pieces of the kit, give a bit of background, some inside stories of what the particular parts are for, why they are like that and where the original information comes from. Hope it is of interest to modellers. And also hope that there are still some interesting things that I can show in the days, weeks to come.

 

Of course the design work was not a smooth sailing. Have to have in mind that participants are all over the world. They are thousands of kilometres and time zones apart. There are language barriers as well as cultural. I hope people will like the end result which I have to add is not 100%. We always want more!

Any manufacturer claiming that their product is 100% and perfect is telling lies! It is inevitable that some mistakes will creep in, information lost along the lines, will go unnoticed or be a simple fluke of a computer program where data is lost between Mk.57 and Mk.58 modifications/corrections.  Believe me there were many stages in this work till we arrived to plastic parts.    

 

The G.W.H Su-35S is a plastic kit from modellers for modellers.  

 

Concerning the tinted canopy. Yes, this was pointed out several times to the manufacturer. The final decision is not made by me.

 

 

Best regards

Gabor

 

 

Hello, we need, and would like this one in 1/72 scale ...?

[gb_madcat_sl]

55 minutes ago, neffan01 said:

 

 

Hello, we need, and would like this one in 1/72 scale ...?

 

Doesn't Hasegawa have a Su-35 in 1/72? Granted it has only the top-mounted countermeasure dispensers but it still is a pretty decent kit right?

 

Mark

[mario krijan]

On 12/3/2017 at 11:33 PM, Alex Matvey said:

Gabor, everybody knows, that the Sukhoi didn't release any "drawings" of Su-35.There are not Su-35 scale plans at all, just CAD math model of all components and full assemly. They are secret. The only available "drawings" are the service diagrams from manual, based on CAD. They are non-secret and missed most of details, just schematic,  but have very well contours (there is only slight distortion). I've had a chance to compare them against original digital plan renders to confirm this. The main feature everybody should know, that Su-35 has almost absolutely the same shapes, as Su-27, so should have the same cross-sections.  You know, the future model will be the best, but again has missed cross-section shapes of the lower fuselage part behind the main wheel wells. Mistake, we could escape, but it unfortunately is here. 

Yes it has top mounted dispensers.

[gb_madcat_sl]

The sheer amount of research that has gone into this project is nothing short of phenomenal.

 

 

Mark

[ya-gabor]

A bit of fuselage details, I am sure Ken the Flankerman will appreciate this.

Some details of the fuselage shape are very difficult to see from the standard side and level view of the aircraft. This is the normal stance that photos are taken in most cases.

 

 

 

The Su-27 as well as the Su-35 has a complex double (it was doubt as an S shaped) curvature of the fuselage cross section around the nose near the gun. This is something that has been missed by most other Flanker kit manufacturers apart from the fantastic 72 nd scale Zvezda kit.

On the new G.W.H Su-35S kit this surface feature was reproduced. To see it better one has to take a full frontal view of the fuselage.

 

The bulge around the air refuelling port is also not obvious from side views. The frontal view shows this too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Best regards

Gabor

[Laurent]

4 hours ago, gb_madcat_sl said:

The sheer amount of research that has gone into this project is nothing short of phenomenal.

Phenomenal perhaps but not unique. Some other companies have a similar design approach. I wish TrumpyBoss was one of them instead of having the "send us all the reference material you've got and pray" approach.

[PanzerG]

On 06/12/2017 at 9:27 PM, B.Sin said:

Go to hyperscale!

 

I did it before asking, and I could not find anything more than old reviews of old kits. Maybe because i am not a member? So thanks Mr Matt Foley!

 

PZR

[Mstor]

If I may...

 

http://www.hyperscale.com/2017/reviews/kits/gwhls4820previewbg_1.htm

[PanzerG]

Thank you very much Mstor

But Mr Matt Foley already had pity on me very quickly ;)

 

PZR

[ya-gabor]

The hyperscale thing is not really a review of a new kit!  Is it?

It's just a collection of CAD pictures. Not really a review in a classic form.

 

Best regards

Gabor

[Solo]

Maybe that is why they called it "preview". :)

[ya-gabor]

With the option of a running engine one would also expect the additional air intakes on bottom of the intake to be in an open position. With parts D 14 and 15 a choice is provided to the modeller to do exactly this. I personally prefer the static aircraft, standing on the ramp, prepared for flight with everything “dropped” apart from the open auxiliary intakes. But of course there are people who want to have this option too, so here you have it.

 

 

 

Auxiliary intakes in closed position for static aircraft

 

 

 

Auxiliary intakes in open position when engienes are running

 

 

 

 

Best regards

Gabor

[mario krijan]

Gabor, can you make some comments about ejection seat and start of LERXs. Thanks! To me, seat looks off, and start of LERXs are too much in front.

Edited December 11, 2017 by mario krijan

[ya-gabor]

1 hour ago, mario krijan said:

Gabor, can you make some comments about ejection seat and start of LERXs. Thanks! To me, seat looks off, and start of LERXs are too much in front.

 

A new ejection seat was developed by Zvezda for the next generation of fighters like the Su-35 and PakFa (or T-50 or Su-57 which ever name you like) the K-36D-5 version. It is based on the “old” K-36D 3.5 but is different in many many ways. The one in the kit is the best representation of the D-5 model at the moment.

Other kit manufacturers throw in a K-36 seat, whatever version they have off the shelf, designed earlier and they use it for every Su or MiG kit. So for example you get a K-36DM series 2 seat in a Su-24 or even wilder “cross kittings”. 

In research of the G.W.H Su-35S kit I went to the manufacturer and examined the original 36D-5.

 

There are two point on the kit seat with which I am not happy but they are not really visible on a finished kit.

I am sure we will have aftermarket companies doing resin seats. This is inevitable. Best of luck to them! Some people like what is in the box, some don’t. Everyone has a choice!

 

The LEX is where it should be. It is true that the anti-abrasive grey paint leading edge ends exactly at fuselage frame 4 ( Ш 4) which would indicate that the LEX starts here. But the actual curvature starts well ahead of it. There is a visual cheat here.

 

Best regards

Gabor

Edited December 11, 2017 by ya-gabor

[mario krijan]

1 minute ago, ya-gabor said:

 

A new ejection seat was developed by Zvezda for the next generation of fighters like the Su-35 and PakFa (or T-50 or Su-57 which ever name you like) the K-36D-5 version. It is based on the “old” K-36D 3.5 but is different in many many ways. The one in the kit is the best representation of the D-5 model at the moment.

Other kit manufacturers throw in a K-36 seat, whatever version they have off the shelf, designed earlier and they use it for every Su or MiG kit. So for example you get a K-36DM series 2 seat in a Su-24 or even wilder “cross kittings”. 

In research of the G.W.H Su-35S kit I went to the manufacturer and examined the original 36D-5.

 

There are two point on the kit seat with which I am not happy but they are not really visible on a finished kit.

I am sure we will have aftermarket companies doing resin seats. This is inevitable. Best of luck to them! Some people like what is in the box, some don’t. Everyone has a choice!

 

The LEX is where it should be.

 

Best regards

Gabor

Thanks!!! :-)

[ya-gabor]

To make the kit as user / modeller friendly as possible some different solutions were applied on the new G.W.H Su-35S kit.

 

In order to authentically display a static, parking Su-35S aircraft there are several features which need to be made on the kit. Like the dropped engine exhaust but also the horizontal stabilizers are usually in a dropped position. To be more precise they have a nose up attitude of around 15 degrees due to weight of the stabilizer.

 

To reproduce this, the stabilizers can be moved on the new G.W.H Su-35S kit. You can position them at will, either in level position with running engines or in a dropped position (or any intermediate position if you like). All this is made possible by building up the stabilizers from several parts: B1, B2, C11, C12, C89 and C 90. The result is a complete sub assembly for each stabilizer. Use of several parts helps to give maximum surface details and to avoid those annoying shrink marks on the surface due to over thick plastic part. You have the option to position the stabilizers as you like on the finished kit.

 

To make it even more user friendly there is no need to glue the stabilizers in position at an early stage of building the model. You can pre paint them, which will save you on masking, it will protect the static dischargers during the build and paint job and in the end you can simply attach them to the finished kit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Best regards

Gabor

[sharkey]

This looks amazing!

[mario krijan]

Gabor, can you please gave us photos of OLS area, and transition from OLS housing to windscreen. On picture there is one more sheet going on windscreen and OLS housing. Is refueling probe edge inside of skin or it cames from it a little?

[DarkKnight]

I like to build my  models armed and running, thats why I would like pilot figures

[ya-gabor]

On 2017. 12. 12. at 11:43 PM, mario krijan said:

Gabor, can you please gave us photos of OLS area, and transition from OLS housing to windscreen. On picture there is one more sheet going on windscreen and OLS housing. Is refueling probe edge inside of skin or it cames from it a little?

 

Hi Mario,

I dont really understand what you are asking, what the problem is. Please specify, if I can, I try to help.

 

Best regards

Gabor  

[ya-gabor]

15 hours ago, DarkKnight said:

I like to build my  models armed and running, thats why I would like pilot figures

 

I am very sorry but you will have to get the pilot figure from somewhere else if you decide to get the G.W.H Su-35S kit.

 

Best regards

Gabor

[mario krijan]

Gabor, I am referring to this

 

I understand that is so hard to make the 3D model with all those information. Maybe is to my eye, cannot wait to see more of plastic :-)

[ya-gabor]

Hi Mario,

I am sure you are aware of the fact that I am doing research and supplying the necessary information to different manufacturers for development of kits, decals, aftermarkets. .  .   

This is my part of the project.

I am not a graphic designer, CAD designer and have only a limited control over what each manufacturer produces with the given technology that they are using, be it injection moulding, resin casting, 3D printing, photo etch, turning brass, printing decals. .  .   In the end the manufacturer makes the decisions. While I am here in the middle of Europe some of the manufacturers are in far places of the world, so there is no direct way of going over every small point and have a more direct 3C (control / communication / correction).

 

Speaking of the Su-35S kit from what you shown above, you can see exactly that I have provided the needed information. As to what came out in the end . . .       . . .  I think it looks good!   Somewhere earlier I have said that there is no 100% kit and ANY manufacturer (or researcher) (and we have some of both here on forums!!!) claiming that their product is perfect is telling a lie!

 

I know it is not rivetcounting but if one actual starts counting the rivets then will discover that it is possible that you will find only 5 rivets where on the real aircraft there are 8-10! This is where I say limits of a technology and the resulting scaling correction plays an important part (unfortunately). If we had all the 10 rivets and all of them in true scaled-down size, one will not see it or it will be a continuous line. The G.W.H kit has a multitude of surface details, rivets, different rivets, panel locks, small screws, large screws, engraved panels lines, panels (reinforcements) which are on top of the surface . . . With the bigger screws, panel fast locks . . .  the situation is different, whenever it was possible the exactly right number was reproduced. Remember that the G.W.H kit was designed around two service examples and we have seen that there are variations between aircraft.

Concerning the HUD, originally (years ago) I proposed to have it made from photoetch. You have to take into account that there are places on the kit, where you need to adapt to the production technology. The manufacturer, in this case wanted to have injection moulding tech. You will not be able to produce a true scale replica of some parts, adjustment has to be made in order for it to be produced with a given technology and within a given space. 

 

Best regards

Gabor 

Edited December 15, 2017 by ya-gabor