Alex Matvey Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 14 hours ago, Inquisitor said: 1219.2 mm = 4 feet = 48 inches and in 1/48 scale = 1 inch/25.4mm It might just be a coincidence. ;) fixed that for you. Yes, 25.4 mm! Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Matt Foley Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Um..so....is this going to be a kit released someday and by whom? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zactoman Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 On 8/19/2017 at 5:06 PM, B.Sin said: who is the successor to the Aviation Art brand? Just to clarify, it is not being released by HazMAT Models (the design team that developed the original Su-33 kit) so it must be the money partner that paid for the tooling, took the tooling and sold it to Kinetic. I wonder how Kinetic feels about this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
solher1 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Zactoman said: Just to clarify, it is not being released by HazMAT Models (the design team that developed the original Su-33 kit) so it must be the money partner that paid for the tooling, took the tooling and sold it to Kinetic. I wonder how Kinetic feels about this? Would it be a wild guess that Trumpeter/Hobbyboss could be the buyer of the improved version of the this Su-33 since they are coming with a new Su-33 too? Juan Edited August 28, 2017 by solher1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.Sin Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 36 minutes ago, solher1 said: Would it be a wild guess that Trumpeter/Hobbyboss could be the buyer of the improved version of the this Su-33 since they are coming with a new Su-33 too? Juan Since when does Trumpeter/ Hobby boss, care this much about accuracy? Just saying. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zactoman Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 WORD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zactoman Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 47 minutes ago, solher1 said: Would it be a wild guess that Trumpeter/Hobbyboss could be the buyer of the improved version of the this Su-33 since they are coming with a new Su-33 too? Juan Your guess is as good as mine. Though I'd think the new Aviation Art would have to be a partner/sister company to Kinetic else risk copyright fallout. Even then, Kinetic is still stuck with a product that was a work-in-progress and Aviation Art will have the finished product. Which would you buy? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raymond Chung Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 2 hours ago, Zactoman said: Just to clarify, it is not being released by HazMAT Models (the design team that developed the original Su-33 kit) so it must be the money partner that paid for the tooling, took the tooling and sold it to Kinetic. I wonder how Kinetic feels about this? Hi Chris, What do you want to know from me ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raymond Chung Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Zactoman said: Your guess is as good as mine. Though I'd think the new Aviation Art would have to be a partner/sister company to Kinetic else risk copyright fallout. Even then, Kinetic is still stuck with a product that was a work-in-progress and Aviation Art will have the finished product. Which would you buy? Chris, IMHO, the people will buy the product produced in shelf first. There is no "perfect" product in the world. Always has room for improvement. Right ? Even not AA, some other companies can still produce Su-33, Su-66..... BTW, Kinetic has no connection to AA (Partners/Sister) company. The tooling ownership transfer just a normal business deal. Edited August 28, 2017 by Raymond Chung Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SuperTomcat21 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, Zactoman said: Just to clarify, it is not being released by HazMAT Models (the design team that developed the original Su-33 kit) so it must be the money partner that paid for the tooling, took the tooling and sold it to Kinetic. I wonder how Kinetic feels about this? Dear Chris The original design was not formally listed because of the personal reasons for previous project supervision (Has resigned), here were resulting in a large number of unacceptable and can not be corrected bugs and that is not the design and mold owner's intention. Best regards Ran Anymore share CAD for all friends Edited August 28, 2017 by SuperTomcat21 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DraganChe Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 This is excelent news for this updated model kit. I will buy at least two of those!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dehowie Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Who is going to buy this kit? Any SU-33 lovers already have the very nice Kinetic kit plus weapon sets sitting on shelves. Im sorry but im not buying a kit with a corrected NACA 2051B aerofoil section for the fin. Im sure the dedicated will but exactly how many kit sales is that guarranteeing plus Kinetics has a two year head start and is already in collections or been started. Financial suicide to invest in a kit with zero distribution, that corrects panel lines and aerofoil sections as lovely as it will be. My SU-33 money is spent and so is 90% of the rest of the communities. Good luck but this model shark is out... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.Sin Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 31 minutes ago, dehowie said: Who is going to buy this kit? Any SU-33 lovers already have the very nice Kinetic kit plus weapon sets sitting on shelves. Im sorry but im not buying a kit with a corrected NACA 2051B aerofoil section for the fin. Im sure the dedicated will but exactly how many kit sales is that guarranteeing plus Kinetics has a two year head start and is already in collections or been started. Financial suicide to invest in a kit with zero distribution, that corrects panel lines and aerofoil sections as lovely as it will be. My SU-33 money is spent and so is 90% of the rest of the communities. Good luck but this model shark is out... I will buy this kit! Never bought the Kinetic kit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foxmulder_ms Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 50 minutes ago, dehowie said: Who is going to buy this kit? Any SU-33 lovers already have the very nice Kinetic kit plus weapon sets sitting on shelves. Im sorry but im not buying a kit with a corrected NACA 2051B aerofoil section for the fin. Im sure the dedicated will but exactly how many kit sales is that guarranteeing plus Kinetics has a two year head start and is already in collections or been started. Financial suicide to invest in a kit with zero distribution, that corrects panel lines and aerofoil sections as lovely as it will be. My SU-33 money is spent and so is 90% of the rest of the communities. Good luck but this model shark is out... I agree that Kinetic Su-33 made the market for a new kit much smaller but still it is not nothing. First, there are new modelers (younger or new to hobby) coming and current modelers priorities can change too. I bet everyone has a to do list and Su-33 can be on the list but not high enough so that they may not have bought yet. Then Kinetic Su-33 has minor problems like bad instructions, not enough missiles for a full load aircraft and no a2g weapons. A Chinese version can be included in the box with few additional parts and decals. If the price is comparable I will certainly consider this kit since I am in market for a second Su-33/J-15 :) More is merrier for the consumer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dryguy Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 (edited) From my perspective, the two main things that put me off the kinetic kit were the missing weapons, or at least pylons under the intakes, which I really feel should be included. I also understand the wings are tricky to pose folded; I am concerned about the weight/stress on the fold join.That and justifying the price of the kit to my domestic boss. Edited August 31, 2017 by dryguy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shion Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 9 hours ago, foxmulder_ms said: I agree that Kinetic Su-33 made the market for a new kit much smaller but still it is not nothing. First, there are new modelers (younger or new to hobby) coming and current modelers priorities can change too. I bet everyone has a to do list and Su-33 can be on the list but not high enough so that they may not have bought yet. Then Kinetic Su-33 has minor problems like bad instructions, not enough missiles for a full load aircraft and no a2g weapons. A Chinese version can be included in the box with few additional parts and decals. If the price is comparable I will certainly consider this kit since I am in market for a second Su-33/J-15 :) More is merrier for the consumer. New modelers (younger) have less budget, the kinetic model is already expensive, I really doubt an another Su-33, by an another company, a new one, will be less. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 SuperTomcat21; Could you post a CAD view from the direct front? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foxmulder_ms Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 8 hours ago, dryguy said: From my perspective, the two main things that put me off the kinetic kit were the missing weapons, or at least pylons under the intakes, which I really feel should be included. I also understand the wings are tricky to pose folded; I am concerned about the weight/stress on the fold join.That and justifying the price of the kit to my domestic boss. Dont be. The joint is like a zipper, so much surface glue goes into... it is very much safe. You can almost hold whole model from the tip of the wing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DraganChe Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 (edited) I can hardly wait that model kit, I hope that they will put in cockpit SVP-24-33 updated instrument panel for Syrian campaign. Edited September 1, 2017 by DraganChe Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SuperTomcat21 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 22 minutes ago, DraganChe said: I can hardly wait that model kit, I hope that they will put in cockpit SVP-24-33 updated instrument panel for Syrian campaign. but we didn't have any information about svp-24-33. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DraganChe Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Just now, SuperTomcat21 said: but we didn't have any information about svp-24-33. I have some of links but there is very little pictures about it... P.S. Please read PM :-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DraganChe Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 8 hours ago, SuperTomcat21 said: but we didn't have any information about svp-24-33. It is crucial to investigate does every aicraft in Syrian campaign have upgraded SVP-24-33 maybe it was instaled on just few of them and the rest of them were used as a pure blood fighters...with old cockpit etc... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrea Bolla Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Some pictures of SVP MFD panel: and here the panel itself in detail. https://thaimilitaryandasianregion.blogspot.it/2017/08/additional-information-on-svp-24.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DraganChe Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 (edited) Thank you! :-) Edited September 1, 2017 by DraganChe Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Robert S Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 If the kit is as good as it sounds I will get one. I only have the old Acadamy SU-27 and want to do this bird and 34 and a 35 at some point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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