salomon Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 (edited) you are talking about the same thing and you misunderstand the same subject. I personally know that designing a subject takes time and the basic form is paramount over the correctness of form. Even though you can have access to real planes, it is not easy to create something perfectly right. I am not a model maker, but my job comes a little bit closer without going into the other so in-depth details. There is this during the problem of the size of the company with more or less staff, Tamiya has a lot of employees and takes a long time for each subject and we tend to forget that detail. My Mirage F1 from scratch, Shape drawing, detail panels drawing and rendering. https://ibb.co/s9R2xQ9 https://ibb.co/Y8jsQcn https://ibb.co/gZnmwrT Edited March 19, 2021 by salomon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Solo Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Ok, I got it. So I do believe we will have another Su-27 family kits. Not so bad, not so bad... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tapchan Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 There is still some room for new Flankers: Su-33UB, J-15 twin seater, J-16 with WS-10, Su-37. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ijozic Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tapchan said: There is still some room for new Flankers: Su-33UB, J-15 twin seater, J-16 with WS-10, Su-37. Su-27M would be my personal pick as something that hasn't been done, but I guess it's basically the Su-37 airframe without the vectored thrust. Given the price/quality ratio, I would presume that others would prefer a Minibase kit of this quality over GWH, KH and HB as well, so they should do the classic variants as well (Su-27, UB, MKI, MKK, 35, etc.). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tapchan Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 I forgot to mention teal alternative for Su-34 and of course Su-30SM - despite gwh is about to release it but so far it's only a rumor. If Minibase's customer service is as good as GWH's then I'll simply go for cheaper option. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stalal Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 3 hours ago, salomon said: you are talking about the same thing and you misunderstand the same subject. I personally know that designing a subject takes time and the basic form is paramount over the correctness of form. Even though you can have access to real planes, it is not easy to create something perfectly right. I am not a model maker, but my job comes a little bit closer without going into the other so in-depth details. There is this during the problem of the size of the company with more or less staff, Tamiya has a lot of employees and takes a long time for each subject and we tend to forget that detail. My Mirage F1 from scratch, Shape drawing, detail panels drawing and rendering. https://ibb.co/s9R2xQ9 https://ibb.co/Y8jsQcn https://ibb.co/gZnmwrT You re right. It takes a lot of time and attention to produce a kit. If you compare Tamiya, they have been producing kits for decades. Their design is very simple and they follow this template in every kit. Minibase has put too much detail in one product. Its a lot more involving to produce this kind of complex kit than what Tamiya does with their focus on basic details and shape of the kit. Im only comparing 1/48 kits. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
salomon Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 We talked about Tanmodel Su-33 in 32's scale about 5 years ago, the level of detail seems exceeded to the next level. There is also the buccaneer programmed to be release in 2017 but since we have no new any news and I hope the manufacturer is always here and will make us dream with its atypical subjects, I mean the buccaneer. What I mean is that the design of a plastic model is not an easy stuff, by adding time to conceive details and finally sell it on the market. We have the example of Tanmodel who has trouble getting out their models for 5 years. I greet the teams of the team of minibase who took a while to make their only model fornow, congratulations and I wait for the announcement of their next coming models sur sure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulsbrown Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 20 hours ago, Tapchan said: I forgot to mention teal alternative for Su-34 and of course Su-30SM - despite gwh is about to release it GWH announced an Su-30SM? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tapchan Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 47 minutes ago, paulsbrown said: GWH announced an Su-30SM? 21 hours ago, Tapchan said: I forgot to mention teal alternative for Su-34 and of course Su-30SM - despite gwh is about to release it but so far it's only a rumor. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Solo Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 In my country we have something we are calling "defeat of harvest" what means we have more goods then we are able to bear. I am affraid we have the same situation with models of 1:48 Su-27 and the clones. One of the best companies on the market (GWH) has just started making line of those kit, now we have Minibase who annouces that there will be another Su-27 kits in the future. Nothing more then Su-27 and more, more beautiful and perfect Su-27 kits... Nice, but... to much for that subject. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
playertwo Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Solo said: In my country we have something we are calling "defeat of harvest" what means we have more goods then we are able to bear. I am affraid we have the same situation with models of 1:48 Su-27 and the clones. One of the best companies on the market (GWH) has just started making line of those kit, now we have Minibase who annouces that there will be another Su-27 kits in the future. Nothing more then Su-27 and more, more beautiful and perfect Su-27 kits... Nice, but... to much for that subject. Let's pretend that Su-27 kits are running shoes/sneakers... who makes them? N ike, Reebok, Adidas, New Balance, Brooks, Saucony, Mizuno, Puma.. the list goes on and on.. do you complain when a new company makes a running shoe? They are basically the same.. it's a shoe.. do we need more of that subject? Edited March 20, 2021 by playertwo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Solo Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 (edited) Su-27 is not runing shoes, and the list of realy good model kit manufacturers is very limited. So if 2 or 3 of them is making the same models, they can not make any others - simple. Of course it ia good to have plenty of kits of every model possible, but finally we will have planty of kits of Su-27 and no model kits of many others jets. I wish to have both, so for me it is fair better to have GWH making their Su-27 line and Minibase making something different. That is my own point of view, you do not to have to agree with me. Edited March 20, 2021 by Solo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ijozic Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 (edited) OK, but Minibase already invested years in Su-33. It makes much more sense to release several Flanker variants over the course of a few years then to invest another 5-6 years to make something completely different. As nice as the GWH kit might be, Minibase one would expectedly have a higher level of detail and would be somewhat cheaper. Thus, I'll buy their Flanker if they release one. I wish they'd make a MiG-29 kit. I've made one by GWH, but I'd rather not make another one. Edited March 20, 2021 by ijozic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulsbrown Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 1 hour ago, ijozic said: OK, but Minibase already invested years in Su-33. It makes much more sense to release several Flanker variants over the course of a few years then to invest another 5-6 years to make something completely different. As much as the Su-33 looks like other Flankers I don't think as far as sprue molds go there are many parts in common with other Flankers: the nose, intakes, engines, cockpit/canopy and vertical tails are all I can think of. The landing gear, wings and fuselage are totally different and would require a lot of new research for new molds. Regardless, I'm delighted with the growing level of choices for the Flanker family. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stalal Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Scalemates is claiming Su-30SM for next year and J-15 this year. https://www.scalemates.com/kits/minibase-8003-su-30sm--1340987 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tapchan Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Finally Su-30SM in 48th scale! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Specter1075 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Scalemates is updated by anyone who creates an account. I would take it no more seriously than a Facebook meme. I'd say SuperTomcat would be the only person here who knows what they intend. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulsbrown Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 5 hours ago, Tapchan said: Finally Su-30SM in 48th scale! You mean finally one in 48th that wouldn't have the wrong cockpit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tapchan Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 I mean finally one that will have weapons and sufficient number of pylons, non-distorting canopy, correct cockpit, constant level of detail and price corresponding to the quality given. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulsbrown Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 55 minutes ago, Tapchan said: I mean finally one that will have weapons and sufficient number of pylons, non-distorting canopy, correct cockpit, constant level of detail and price corresponding to the quality given. Amen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dehowie Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Just got my first Minibase Flanker. Nice kit but maybe the hype train has built it up to way beyond expectations. Directly comparing it to my Kinetic kits to my eye the surface detail on the Kinetic kit is not only finer but far more restrained. Minbase has a swarm of small parts that im sure if you can get them off the sprues intact will add hugely to how busy the kit looks. Decals in the MB kit are a bit thick where the Crossdekta ones in Kinetic are superb. Landing gear etc looks fantastic. Overall lovely kit but one will be enough as comparing it to the Kinetic kits which I already own plus resin seats etc im not getting much more and the surface detail i prefer in the Kinetic kit. If anything the MB kit shows just how nice the Kinetic kit is and at under half the price i cant justify swapping them out. Great kit never the less.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stalal Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) On 3/27/2021 at 11:06 PM, dehowie said: Just got my first Minibase Flanker. Nice kit but maybe the hype train has built it up to way beyond expectations. Directly comparing it to my Kinetic kits to my eye the surface detail on the Kinetic kit is not only finer but far more restrained. Minbase has a swarm of small parts that im sure if you can get them off the sprues intact will add hugely to how busy the kit looks. Decals in the MB kit are a bit thick where the Crossdekta ones in Kinetic are superb. Landing gear etc looks fantastic. Overall lovely kit but one will be enough as comparing it to the Kinetic kits which I already own plus resin seats etc im not getting much more and the surface detail i prefer in the Kinetic kit. If anything the MB kit shows just how nice the Kinetic kit is and at under half the price i cant justify swapping them out. Great kit never the less.. With Minibase kit, you dont need to think of photo etch, resin aftermarket for cockpit, wheels or exhausts. You also dont need extra decals. However, you will need some of these details for Kinetic. Also, Kinetic kits seems to be a kit that was in development when released. For me, Kinetic cost me $85 shipped on a slow boat mail (2 to 3 months). Minibase cost me $120 shipped from eBay and it arrived in 3 weeks. Minibase out of the box is a complete kit with no aftermarket needed at all. Edited March 29, 2021 by stalal Quote Link to post Share on other sites
salomon Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 On 3/29/2021 at 12:32 AM, stalal said: With Minibase kit, you dont need to think of photo etch, resin aftermarket for cockpit, wheels or exhausts. You also dont need extra decals. However, you will need some of these details for Kinetic. Also, Kinetic kits seems to be a kit that was in development when released. For me, Kinetic cost me $85 shipped on a slow boat mail (2 to 3 months). Minibase cost me $120 shipped from eBay and it arrived in 3 weeks. Minibase out of the box is a complete kit with no aftermarket needed at all. Totaly agree with you, that why I get two for this kit and I'm not sure having time to build one. We must encourage this manufacturer to offer us new models, they have spent so much time developing their Su-33 and their effort deserves recognition. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LyIgor Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 I also became the owner of this wonderful kit! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
legend1 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 i have both kit !kinetic is less busy then minibase some problem around the nose for kinetic ! but minibase aimed at a product with an high levels of details and i hope don't lose any of the little pieces ! in fact i have solded my kinetic ! i hope to buy another minibase Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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