swimmer25k Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 I've been messing around with a 1/48 KP Su-25UTG and need some help with regards to paint options. KP refers to Humbrol and Agama colors. I haven't had good luck with Humbrol and never heard of Agama. Akan makes colors specific to the UTG, however, I wasn't really a big fan when I used them on a Flanker kit I built several years ago. I've been having very good luck using the Gunze Mr Hobby colors, so it goes without saying that I would prefer to use them for this application. Is there a chart or online resource giving equivalents from one brand (Humbrol) of paint to another (Gunze)? Secondly, do/did the Russians/Soviets have a system categorizing colors like the US FS numbers? Thanks, Chris Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boom175 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Chris I don't know if the Su-25UTG uses the same colors as teh Su-33 but they seem similar. I would try Mr. Paint out of Slovakia. AKA MRP . They are may favorite paints right now! they are lacquer and already thinned for the airbrush. As a a matter of fact you really need to apply with low pressure 12-15 psi and use several light coats. they seem very translucent at first but they build up great so they are perfect for any pre shading black basing etc. Super fine pigments. Check them out http://mrpaint.sk/farby/lietadla/USSR?page=3 As far as a Russian FS 595, they're might be one but it seems like factories and depots do what they want. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
swimmer25k Posted September 5, 2017 Author Share Posted September 5, 2017 (edited) Boom-man, Thanks for the tip. I had heard about them, but totally forgot until your post. The Su-25UTG colors do look very close to the paints suggested for the Su-33. The upper colors are 199, 200, and 201. 201 seems to be a little lighter than what's in the (reliably?) printed instructions, which calls for "mid blue/gray" (suggested to use Humbrol 87). Mr Paint doesn't give a single color match for the bottom. Instructions suggests a light blue-gray (Humbrol 64). Mr Paint 197 is labeled for Su-27 and the Su-33. I can't tell if it's a match or not. There are some other blue-grays available. These paints are a little pricey. Are they worth the cash?? Anyone agree with this logic, or have I goofed? Thanks again, Chris Edited September 6, 2017 by swimmer25k Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mfezi Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 12 hours ago, swimmer25k said: Akan makes colors specific to the UTG, however, I wasn't really a big fan when I used them on a Flanker kit I built several years ago. Just a question: Did you use the Akan water based acrylic (7 series), enamel (8 series) or acrylic lacquer (6 series)? I've used all three and I'm also not a big fan of their water based acrylic (in fact, I don't like airbrushing acrylics in general). However, I've had really good results with their acrylic lacquers (6 series), thinned with a bit of Mr Color Leveling Thinner. It is quite a different prospect than their 7 series water based paints. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kurt H. Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) MRP is worth the money. Even though it is very thin, it seems like you use less. I can not explain it. To answer your question about paint cross reference, I have used the charts at this site: http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/colorcharts/colorcharts.asp And if you are looking for more choices, Ammo Of Mig and Vallejo model air have lots of colors, and seem to be the problem solver when I can not find a color. But yes, they are not as easy to airbrush. Edited September 6, 2017 by Kurt H. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jonbryon Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Another vote for Akan lacquers (the 6 series). I thin them about 50% with Mr Levelling Thinner and they spray beautifully. I've yet to try MRP but hope to do so soon. Jon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boom175 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 I am a super big fan of Mr. Paint I get them from Hobbyworld-usa.. Here's a link to his selection. http://www.hobbyworld-usa.com/Store/index.php?id_category=1248&controller=category Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flybywire Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 19 hours ago, boom175 said: Chris I don't know if the Su-25UTG uses the same colors as teh Su-33 but they seem similar. I would try Mr. Paint out of Slovakia. AKA MRP . They are may favorite paints right now! they are lacquer and already thinned for the airbrush. As a a matter of fact you really need to apply with low pressure 12-15 psi and use several light coats. they seem very translucent at first but they build up great so they are perfect for any pre shading black basing etc. Super fine pigments. Check them out http://mrpaint.sk/farby/lietadla/USSR?page=3 As far as a Russian FS 595, they're might be one but it seems like factories and depots do what they want. Would you know any reputable on-line shop that would ship internationally with these MRP paints? Is it MRP paint ot Mr. Paint? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
swimmer25k Posted September 6, 2017 Author Share Posted September 6, 2017 Red Star Models in Georgia sells MRP. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boom175 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 2 hours ago, flybywire said: Would you know any reputable on-line shop that would ship internationally with these MRP paints? Is it MRP paint ot Mr. Paint? Their home page is www.mrpaint.sk they are out of Slovakia. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rex Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 You can also order MRP from Uschi https://www.uschivdr.com/shopping-categories/shop-colors-paints-pigments-primer/mr-paint-superfine-inks-1/ that is where I got mine, before I knew that they were Lacquers. (Mr Paint is the old labels, MRP is the new) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Matt Foley Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 If you're in the USA Hobbyworld is #1. If you live abroad, check the vendors on your continent. As far as Akan is concerned, The lacquer formula is fantastic. I have had mixed results (no pun) with the water based formula in terms of adhesion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flybywire Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 17 hours ago, swimmer25k said: Red Star Models in Georgia sells MRP. Okay. Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flybywire Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 15 hours ago, Rex said: You can also order MRP from Uschi https://www.uschivdr.com/shopping-categories/shop-colors-paints-pigments-primer/mr-paint-superfine-inks-1/ that is where I got mine, before I knew that they were Lacquers. (Mr Paint is the old labels, MRP is the new) Okay. Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flybywire Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 On 9/7/2017 at 0:00 AM, boom175 said: Their home page is www.mrpaint.sk they are out of Slovakia. Okay. Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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