11bee Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 A380 recently had a HORRIFYING landing!!! http://nypost.com/2017/10/06/massive-airliners-skittish-landing-caught-on-horrifying-video/ Some would describe it as TERRIFYING!!! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4954988/Heart-stopping-moment-pilot-lands-high-winds-Germany.html What is wrong with these planes, that they can't land straight on a runway?? Thankfully the pilots were able to wrestle it back onto the runway but I'll never fly in one of those deathtraps again! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
squezzer Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) It said in the comments under the video: crosswinds, nothing to see with the aircraft.😉 Edited October 9, 2017 by squezzer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Always fascinating watching the wings and vertical stabilizers flexing so much on these large aircraft. No questioning Airbus's landing gear engineering either. YouTube version here for anyone interested (full approach begins at 1:34): Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hajo L. Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 We had one of the strongest storms known hitting central germany last thursday. That´s when the video was taken. It´s still just a low and mild blowing weather compared with the hurricanes you guys had this year... HAJO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
squezzer Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) Actually, the landing gear was designed and built by Safran Landing Systems, formerly Messier-Bugatti, one the world leaders since years in that business. Edited October 9, 2017 by squezzer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Slartibartfast Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Looks like pilot error to me. He had left rudder to correct for crosswind but held it even after touchdown when the landing gear would have become the prime source of control. Thus the large yaw to port. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pigsty Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I probably wouldn't enjoy a landing like that, but hey, nothing fell off and everyone walked away. They even left with all their tyres intact. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dogsbody Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Wouldn't want to have been the passengers sitting in the back row. Chris Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 ...holy @#$%.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
midnightprowler Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 My question, why crosswind landings in the first place? Don't major airports have runways in multiple directions? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe Hegedus Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 43 minutes ago, midnightprowler said: My question, why crosswind landings in the first place? Don't major airports have runways in multiple directions? Some do, but the main runways are typically aligned with the prevailing winds, more or less. The runways not aligned so may or may not be long/wide/strong enough to handle large aircraft. If there are strong winds off the main runway directions, ya do what ya gotta do (meaning fly a crosswind approach and landing). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 The A380 is even more limited. Due to its size not all airports have runways long enough, taxiways strong enough, or gates big enough to accomodate it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moose135 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 9 hours ago, 11bee said: What is wrong with these planes, that they can't land straight on a runway?? Thankfully the pilots were able to wrestle it back onto the runway but I'll never fly in one of those deathtraps again! Like my old IP would say, it's not the plane, it's the nut holding the stick. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Moose135 said: Like my old IP would say, it's not the plane, it's the nut holding the stick. Or mine used to say (though may others have as well), Any landing you walk away from is a good one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cajun21 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 10 hours ago, Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy said: Or mine used to say (though may others have as well), Any landing you walk away from is a good one. And if you can use the aircraft again it's a great one. Cheers Itch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rick in Maine Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 When making crosswind landings as part of my flying lessons, even that little Cessna 150 looked from the cockpit like it was headed into the woods. Thats when I learned about cross-controlling. Looks mighty impressive on that A380. Rick in Maine Quote Link to post Share on other sites
squezzer Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) 16 hours ago, midnightprowler said: My question, why crosswind landings in the first place? Don't major airports have runways in multiple directions? On the other hand, crosswinds or shearwinds are sometime very local phenomenon which axis is not parallel to the main wind axis the runway is supposed to be parallel to. Edited October 10, 2017 by squezzer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
squezzer Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) 21 hours ago, Slartibartfast said: Looks like pilot error to me. He had left rudder to correct for crosswind but held it even after touchdown when the landing gear would have become the prime source of control. Thus the large yaw to port. I don't know the specifics for the A380 but most of the time, the rudder and the front landing gear are actuated together by the pedals as soon as the front landing gear oleo is compressed. The amount of control respectively provided by each one depends on the airspeed. At high rolling speed, whithout rudder authority, the front wheels would rotate and skid and the plane would roll on its side instead of making a flat turn on its wheels. Edited October 10, 2017 by squezzer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 That A380 could have used the B-52's crosswind/crabbing landing feature (look at the attitude of the B-52 in relation to the runway at the 40 second mark!!): Quote Link to post Share on other sites
squezzer Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Sure but considering the extra weight and technical complexity, I guess that the gains of that system were not sufficient to be widely used on most of aircraft types. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Well who really knows. My post was kind of in jest. However, technology and materials have come a long way since 1952 when the BUFF first flew (the A380 itself is a testament to that). If some aircraft company really wanted to incorporate a similar crosswind landing system as used in the B-52 they could probably figure something out that would still be cost effective. I'll bet the pilots of that A380 wished they had one . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scooby Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 On 2017-10-09 at 5:30 PM, midnightprowler said: My question, why crosswind landings in the first place? Don't major airports have runways in multiple directions? No, more and more airports are being designed with parallel runways to handle more air traffic in at the same time. Intersecting runways are a thing of the past due to aircraft now being designed to easily handle crosswind landings. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cag_200 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Awesome! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
midnightprowler Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 5 hours ago, Scooby said: No, more and more airports are being designed with parallel runways to handle more air traffic in at the same time. Intersecting runways are a thing of the past due to aircraft now being designed to easily handle crosswind landings. That airbus landing didn't look easily handled. I gotta think that was a rough one for the passengers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
squezzer Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 It is a fact that modern aicraft design and assistance systems push the limits but the limits exist anyway... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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