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I liked the Resistance  bombers myself. I thought they looked really cool and the concept was plausible within the already existing/established realm of other SW ships (Tie bombers seen in ESB made level bombing runs and even Y-Wings were capable of dropping proton and concussion bombs in level runs and have done so in the literature . Add ARC-170's and Hyena's to the list as well). I hope we get a model of the Resistance bombers...and a 3.75" toy to go with the released action figure Rose please!

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As I said, the bombing thing didn't ruin the movie for me, it just seemed a little out of place. Point taken about space "dogfights". I guess the newer Battlestar Galactica were one of the few shows to at least try to make that seem plausible with retro jets and full 360degre turning etc....

 

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3 hours ago, niart17 said:

As I said, the bombing thing didn't ruin the movie for me, it just seemed a little out of place. Point taken about space "dogfights". I guess the newer Battlestar Galactica were one of the few shows to at least try to make that seem plausible with retro jets and full 360degre turning etc....

 

Bill

 

I think it felt out of place because it was out of place. You're 5 minutes into the movie with this episodes ultra star destroyer then in come these bombers on a straight line run to get it. More context was needed 

 

You have to set this stuff up. Episode 4 does it so seamlessly you don't even notice Luke going from backwoods farmer with dreams to leading a flight of rebel fighters against a planet sized death gun in about one hour. That's a big leap if not for all the careful stuff happening to set it up. 

 

 

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So, here's the thing..does the dreadnought have it's own exterior gravity field?  The idea of "dropping" bombs in space seemed completely ludicrous to me.  I was also a bit baffled by the woman lying in the bomb bay heroically releasing said bombs, despite the fact that the doors were open to the hard vacuum outside and she wasn't wearing so much as an oxygen mask.  I supposed it could be argued that there was a forcefield holding the air in, but there wasn't any evidence of that when the bombs dropped.  SW has always played fast an loose with the laws of science..I regard it as closer to fantasy than sci-fi, and that's OK.  But that sequence was a bit much for me to swallow.  Plus, since we see that a ship traveling at lightspeed can do catastrophic damage to a ship the size of Snoke's (and obliterate the escorts) why has no one in the SW universe ever thought of just sticking a hyperdrive on a missile?  I wouldn't even need a warhead..a kinetic penetrator with a mass of a thousand tonnes or so should be able to vaporize a star destroyer.

 

I'm sure these questions are likely answered by the expanded universe stuff, but I'm enough of a geek to wade through all of that.  I enjoyed the movie overall, but I still think the top three SW films are Empire, New Hope, and Rogue One.

 

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I still want to know as you mentioned, no oxygen mask, therefore how did Leia get blown

into the vacuum of space at absolute zero and get yanked back in with no noticeable

damage or frostbite? Wouldn't your blood boil, at least that's why SR-71 pilots wear special

suits, I think.---John

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Plo Koon was able to survive and actually fight battle droids in space without any space suit/protective equipment in the Clone Wars series. So the precedent is there. Leia wasn't a Jedi but heavily force sensitive and was trained by Luke in the SW EU to harness aspects of the force. So I just saw it as her drawing on the force to survive space similar to how Luke was able to survive on Hoth after escaping the Wampa cave when he should have frozen to death before Han arrived. That's how I see it anyway but who knows.

 

At the end of the day its Star Wars...you just go with it...

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1 hour ago, Don said:

Plo Koon was able to survive and actually fight battle droids in space without any space suit/protective equipment in the Clone Wars series. So the precedent is there. Leia wasn't a Jedi but heavily force sensitive and was trained by Luke in the SW EU to harness aspects of the force. So I just saw it as her drawing on the force to survive space similar to how Luke was able to survive on Hoth after escaping the Wampa cave when he should have frozen to death before Han arrived. That's how I see it anyway but who knows.

 

At the end of the day its Star Wars...you just go with it...

 

 

Plo koon isn't a human.

 

Beyond all the sci fi vs sci fantasy, vs reality, that spacing part was just completely unnecessary. And it made people go, wait What? Which not good.

 

Again just to end up back on the ship? Just have the x wing pilot or Finn drag her out of the flaming bridge. 

 

Just saved 2 minutes and a lot of questions

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3 hours ago, Steve N said:

So, here's the thing..does the dreadnought have it's own exterior gravity field?  The idea of "dropping" bombs in space seemed completely ludicrous to me.  I was also a bit baffled by the woman lying in the bomb bay heroically releasing said bombs, despite the fact that the doors were open to the hard vacuum outside and she wasn't wearing so much as an oxygen mask.  I supposed it could be argued that there was a forcefield holding the air in, but there wasn't any evidence of that when the bombs dropped.  SW has always played fast an loose with the laws of science..I regard it as closer to fantasy than sci-fi, and that's OK.  But that sequence was a bit much for me to swallow.  Plus, since we see that a ship traveling at lightspeed can do catastrophic damage to a ship the size of Snoke's (and obliterate the escorts) why has no one in the SW universe ever thought of just sticking a hyperdrive on a missile?  I wouldn't even need a warhead..a kinetic penetrator with a mass of a thousand tonnes or so should be able to vaporize a star destroyer.

 

I'm sure these questions are likely answered by the expanded universe stuff, but I'm enough of a geek to wade through all of that.  I enjoyed the movie overall, but I still think the top three SW films are Empire, New Hope, and Rogue One.

 

SN

 

I hear ya.

 

Bottom line audiences are just more genre savvy too.

 

Maybe they had this cool heavy bomber idea and then didn't know where to put it. I don't know

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9 hours ago, niart17 said:

As I said, the bombing thing didn't ruin the movie for me, it just seemed a little out of place. Point taken about space "dogfights". I guess the newer Battlestar Galactica were one of the few shows to at least try to make that seem plausible with retro jets and full 360degre turning etc....

 

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Yeah when I saw the bombers do their thing I thought, hey wait a minute don't you need gravity? Then I went looking up some info and the bombs are actually shot out so gravity has nothing to do with it. I saw an explanation on Youtube about the bombers themselves. I think a kit of the bomber would be great too. I believe there is one for the board game so maybe I should get that in the meantime?

 

The one thing that bothers me in this whole Star Wars universe is when they use the same time system we have here on Earth. I recall they was one line in the movie when someone said "one week" or something like that. Hmmm are they orbiting a sun somewhere? Oh well it is science fiction so I guess it gives a reference. I always got a chuckle in the old Battlestar Gallactica when they used Yaren for years.

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1 hour ago, TaiidanTomcat said:

 

Plo koon isn't a human...

Agreed. But its Star Wars not reality. If we start dissecting every "hey that can't happen" in 9 Star Wars movies plus 5 seasons of Clone Wars and 4 seasons of Rebels plus 100's of novels, comics, and graphic novels then the whole Star Wars universe falls apart under the microscope  (because there are a lot of "hey that can't happen" within all genres of Star Wars not just this current movie).  I agree the scene in question may have been cheese of the highest order and I probably wouldn't have included it myself. But it isn't outside the realm of what could happen in Star Wars based on things we've seen and read in the past. Besides forget Leia floating about... poor Admiral Ackbar was unceremoniously killed with barely a mention!  A long standing character from the Clone Wars and he doesn't get to go out in a blaze of glory but just floats away...

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RIP Admiral.

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So with the sizeable and growing backlash to TLJ, Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson has it affected the upcoming May 25, 2018 release of "Solo: A Star Wars Story"? There was supposed to be the initial trailer released last Friday (Jan 12) but it got rescheduled to this past Monday (Jan 15) and it still didn't happen. Nothing has been released marketing or merchandise wise except a vague synopsis this past Tuesday: 

 

Board the Millennium Falcon and journey to a galaxy far, far away in Solo: A Star Wars Story, an all-new adventure with the most beloved scoundrel in the galaxy. Through a series of daring escapades deep within a dark and dangerous criminal underworld, Han Solo meets his mighty future copilot Chewbacca and encounters the notorious gambler Lando Calrissian, in a journey that will set the course of one of the Star Wars saga’s most unlikely heroes.

 

I mean we are about 4 months away from the movies release and rumor has it they are still shooting and messing with the film! As a huge SW fan I am a tad concerned that with TLJ's failure among fans (China has pretty much pulled the movie) that the brand may not be able weather another dud less then six months after TLJ.

 

George...come back and save SW!!!

 

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Don said:

So with the sizeable and growing backlash to TLJ, Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson has it affected the upcoming May 25, 2018 release of "Solo: A Star Wars Story"? There was supposed to be the initial trailer released last Friday (Jan 12) but it got rescheduled to this past Monday (Jan 15) and it still didn't happen. Nothing has been released marketing or merchandise wise except a vague synopsis this past Tuesday: 

 

Board the Millennium Falcon and journey to a galaxy far, far away in Solo: A Star Wars Story, an all-new adventure with the most beloved scoundrel in the galaxy. Through a series of daring escapades deep within a dark and dangerous criminal underworld, Han Solo meets his mighty future copilot Chewbacca and encounters the notorious gambler Lando Calrissian, in a journey that will set the course of one of the Star Wars saga’s most unlikely heroes.

 

I mean we are about 4 months away from the movies release and rumor has it they are still shooting and messing with the film! As a huge SW fan I am a tad concerned that with TLJ's failure among fans (China has pretty much pulled the movie) that the brand may not be able weather another dud less then six months after TLJ.

 

George...come back and save SW!!!

 

 

 

 

 George did the prequels... the force quit being strong with him long ago.

 

Might be nice to have the giant listening. I thought it would take 2 or 3 movies doing worse and worse before they listened to the plebs

 

 

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Yeah, no argument on George losing his "Force". But a "Forceless" George...

 

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...is way better then a Kathleen Kennedy...

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...or Rian Johnson...

 

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3 hours ago, Don said:

 

...is way better then a Kathleen Kennedy...

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I still contend this stuff is just to get more women to spend on star wars. Not that it's not silly overall, but I'm a little more cynical about it.

 

Maybe it's time for the all female star wars remake. 

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3 hours ago, TaiidanTomcat said:

 

I still contend this stuff is just to get more women to spend on star wars. Not that it's not silly overall, but I'm a little more cynical about it.

 

Maybe it's time for the all female star wars remake. 

Why not. The all female Ghostbusters was a huge success:thumbsup:

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^^^ the same mistake the NFL has made, thinking that they can take on social causes and get more women to purchase their products. The Last Jedi was an anti-male film and turned off its core demographic.  I guarantee you most of the Star Wars toys sold this  christmas went into the hands of boys.  Perhaps the new Han Solo movie is going to focus mostly on Lando to address identity politics and make critics happy.  The lesson to be learned, a group of women who have an agenda cannot write a good Star Wars story.. So many lost opportunities.  I would have let Luke live and had Rey and Ren join each other, the Luke could fight/kill/redeem them both.  Maybe they could channel or turn onto Darth Vader, Id get rid of the asian girl and finn and admiral purple hair.  I'd also spend more on special effects, I think the rebel armada was shrunk to save money.  They say Star Wars is the story of  R2 and 3PO, the new movie is just a mishmash of directionless crap-make the last movie the story of BB8 and the Falcon, they are the only ones really left

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^^^ the same mistake the NFL has made, thinking that they can take on social causes and get more women to purchase their products. The Last Jedi was an anti-male film and turned off its core demographic.  I guarantee you most of the Star Wars toys sold this  christmas went into the hands of boys.  Perhaps the new Han Solo movie is going to focus mostly on Lando to address identity politics and make critics happy.  The lesson to be learned, a group of women who have an agenda cannot write a good Star Wars story.. So many lost opportunities.  I would have let Luke live and had Rey and Ren join each other, the Luke could fight/kill/redeem them both.  Maybe they could channel or turn onto Darth Vader, Id get rid of the asian girl and finn and admiral purple hair.  I'd also spend more on special effects, I think the rebel armada was shrunk to save money.  They say Star Wars is the story of  R2 and 3PO, the new movie is just a mishmash of directionless crap-make the last movie the story of BB8 and the Falcon, they are the only ones really left

 

I don't think it was "anti male" unless you do think it's a zero sum. Wherein for every female there is one less male.

 

I just think it's crap writing. I think the people running it don't "get" star wars but they don't need to. They're going to butcher it up, sell out the pieces. It's all corporate input. 

 

There's no wrong with making a profit. I'm a capitalist, but we've seen plenty of times where the story suffers with money in mind.

 

Again I don't think it's a nefarious plot. They think if they pack more women in there, more women will like it and thus spend more

 

 

The funniest thing to me about "Admiral" (nice uniform!) "purple hair" was she looked like they had no budget. Like bad Sci-Fi TV shows -- It was like 1960s star trek. Costume dept. runs out of rubber alien masks so its like "Hey bill! We got any of that purple kool aide your wife makes you? Yeah? Well bring it over!" just looked so freaking hokey. 

 

But the entire Casino scene was hokey too

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Like I wrote a while back, there were aspects of TLJ that I did like. I liked the Resistance bombers and opening space fight scene. I liked the fight between Kylo, Rey, and Snokes Pretorian Guard, I liked Kylo's Tie Silencer and his flying scene, the new AT-AT's, the newish First Order Star Destroyers from TFA and Dreadnought (as weak and easily taken out as it was). But overall I think this was a really bad SW movie. Almost as bad as Chuck Wendig's new canon books...and they are TERRIBLE!!!  I posted earlier that I thought it wasn't the best SW movie but not the worst either. I have since changed my opinion and I think its tied for the worst with Episode I (my opinion only obviously). There's just far too much wrong with TLJ.

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1 hour ago, TaiidanTomcat said:

 

I don't think it was "anti male" unless you do think it's a zero sum. Wherein for every female there is one less male.

 

I just think it's crap writing. I think the people running it don't "get" star wars but they don't need to. They're going to butcher it up, sell out the pieces. It's all corporate input. 

 

There's no wrong with making a profit. I'm a capitalist, but we've seen plenty of times where the story suffers with money in mind.

 

Again I don't think it's a nefarious plot. They think if they pack more women in there, more women will like it and thus spend more

 

 

The funniest thing to me about "Admiral" (nice uniform!) "purple hair" was she looked like they had no budget. Like bad Sci-Fi TV shows -- It was like 1960s star trek. Costume dept. runs out of rubber alien masks so its like "Hey bill! We got any of that purple kool aide your wife makes you? Yeah? Well bring it over!" just looked so freaking hokey. 

 

But the entire Casino scene was hokey too

the casino scene was useless , and trying to make it more female biased is a nefarious plot! guys would never write the hold for General Leia comedy scene, the Rey Ren shirtless force connection phone call seemed to be  a Taylor Swift video to me and no guy would invent a dreadnought that couldnt catch a ghetto rebel transport

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9 hours ago, DarkKnight said:

 no guy would invent a dreadnought that couldnt catch a ghetto rebel transport

 

 

One of the running themes of the Empire though is that they do really stupid things. They spend tons of time and treasure on Uber weapons. Remember this stuff is based in myth and history. David Vs Goliath, And this

 

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And apparently 50? years after losing 2 death stars the Empire still hasn't gotten the memo on the lethality of small fighters in small groups, Namely the Xwing. 

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57 minutes ago, Don said:

Like I wrote a while back, there were aspects of TLJ that I did like. I liked the Resistance bombers and opening space fight scene. I liked the fight between Kylo, Rey, and Snokes Pretorian Guard, I liked Kylo's Tie Silencer and his flying scene, the new AT-AT's, the newish First Order Star Destroyers from TFA and Dreadnought (as weak and easily taken out as it was). But overall I think this was a really bad SW movie. Almost as bad as Chuck Wendig's new canon books...and they are TERRIBLE!!!  I posted earlier that I thought it wasn't the best SW movie but not the worst either. I have since changed my opinion and I think its tied for the worst with Episode I (my opinion only obviously). There's just far too much wrong with TLJ.

 

 

Thank god for the snokes guard fight scene or there would be very little action actually happening in this movie. 

 

I don't think its going to stand up well to repeated viewing. Ive watched empire I don't know how many hundreds of times, and It hasn't gotten old yet. Halfway through this I knew it was going to be one and done. its messy and it takes a long time to get where it goes. This will be one that you watch to get past it in a SW marathon. 

 

 

Ordered from best to worst (for me, YMMV):

 

1.Empire

2. New hope

3. Return

4. New New hope 

5. Rogue I

6. Episode I (yes its bad, but its innocent, feels most like a star wars movie and i get Nostalgia)

7. Episode III

8.The lost jedi

9. Episode II

 

its been a while since I watched all of them. . I reserve the right to reaarange this list

 

Another reason I feel like Episode VIII suffers is it has too many cooks in the kitchen fingerprints on it. The tone is way off. The fleet is running out of fuel, the clock is ticking people are dying Po is planning a mutiny--- but lets destroy this casino, and free a space horse. Well ok!

 

 

 

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On 1/8/2018 at 8:08 PM, Don said:

Plo Koon was able to survive and actually fight battle droids in space without any space suit/protective equipment in the Clone Wars series. So the precedent is there. Leia wasn't a Jedi but heavily force sensitive and was trained by Luke in the SW EU to harness aspects of the force. So I just saw it as her drawing on the force to survive space similar to how Luke was able to survive on Hoth after escaping the Wampa cave when he should have frozen to death before Han arrived. That's how I see it anyway but who knows.

 

At the end of the day its Star Wars...you just go with it...

What's the internal core temperature of a tan-tan?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wait for it.......

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Luke warm. :rolleyes:

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