The Last Jedi (Spoilers)

[Benner]

All I have to say is:  I won't be building any models from The Last Jedi

[Cajun21]

On 12/20/2017 at 10:08 PM, GEH737 said:

I enjoyed it - 

 

Luke didn't die...  

 

Point raised by a friend.  When Obi-Wan disappeared - most of us thought he died (I did) - but, he projected himself there on the Death Star - as Luke did on the ice planet.  There was no Obi-Wan body - as we could clearly see when Darth Vader stepped on his robes.  He went to the next level of consciousness and became one with the Force.  Yet Obi-Wan was still around to mentor Luke and give him guidance.  Luke did the same thing at the end of this one; "The circle is now complete" - and Luke will be there to mentor Rey.  The ending music, imagery and symbology was very powerful if you were willing to see it.

GEH737

Totally agree, it bears a resemblance to A New Hope but geared for viewers 3 generations later. As you said it's still the journey.

You are in Newnan?  I am in McDonough, drop me a PM and maybe get together for an adult beverage and talk flying, airplanes and models.

Cheers

Itch

[niart17]

The main thing I want to know is if my 8 and 10 year old daughters can go see this? Is there anything inappropriate for that age group? I'd say the most intense thing they've seen thus far is The Avengers Civil War or Guardians of the Galaxy, so is it any more intense than that? I want to take them this weekend but leary about a movie i haven't seen yet.

 

Bill

[VIPER0177]

Bill

I don't think there is anything that would really upset your girls. There's a couple scenes that are a little intense but nothing really bad. Some of the humor is a little dark. About the worst is Luke milks some animal and drinks the milk while in another scene Chewie tries to eat a cooked porge while others watch teary eyed. As far as violence it's standard Star Wars no blood. I will warn you if you take them to see it they will want porges. I hope that helps.

[niart17]

8 minutes ago, VIPER0177 said:

Bill

I don't think there is anything that would really upset your girls. There's a couple scenes that are a little intense but nothing really bad. Some of the humor is a little dark. About the worst is Luke milks some animal and drinks the milk while in another scene Chewie tries to eat a cooked porge while others watch teary eyed. As far as violence it's standard Star Wars no blood. I will warn you if you take them to see it they will want porges. I hope that helps.

Thanks Viper, that's helps a lot. I may take them. They've liked all of the others that they've seen (I haven't subjected them to Episodes I II or III, I'm afraid they'll like Jar Jar and I can't have that!)

[adamitri]

I didnt hate it, but I wont rush to go see it again. Its not as good as Rogue, 4, 5 or 6 but way better than 1 and 2. I think the humor was thrown in weird and overdone way. The CGI was great in most spots but cheesy in others. One question though.... wheres Lukes green laser sword (yes I know its a lightsaber, lukes words not mine) ?

[adamitri]

Oh and we still dont know who snoke is...

Edited December 24, 2017 by adamitri
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[caiotfjr]

2 hours ago, adamitri said:

Oh and we still dont know who snoke is...

We still didn't know who was Emperor Palpatine after ROJ (more than 30 years ago), just he was more powerfull than Vader and was THE Badass. That didn't stop people thinking the flick was a great conclusion for the original trilogy. And there's at least one more film for concluding this new trilogy, with gaps to be filled by "between" movies like R1

I liked TLJ very much. I still don't know if it's better or worse than R1, but is certainly at the same league. Those 3 new flicks (until now) are at another level than the previous 5. It certainly can't be compared to ANH, but that's only because Ep. 4 stablished the genre and a whole new game for the cinema industry

[zerosystem]

I don't ever recall fuel being a topic/issue before in the SW universe.  The x-wings and Millennium Falcon traveled in light speed throughout the galaxies but I don't ever remember fuel mentioned. 

 

[Wolfgun33]

I didn't like it at all. Seemed very cheesy to me. The Leia scene was just stupid. I couldn't see Luke just giving up like he did. And very little Chewy in the movie. It was just horrible to me overall.

[CreepyGuy]

But Ackbar....... Poor Ackbar couldn't Mary Poppins his way back into the  ship.... Huge plot hole..... 

[Raceaddict]

I still can't believe how down people are on this film. I thought it was fantastically entertaining precisely because so many unexpected things happened. It would have sucked if it all fell into place like the OT... I mean, I did not want this trilogy to just be a reboot for a younger generation. TFA was great but felt very similar to ANH, so I'm completely satisfied that TLJ turned everything on it's head.

[john53]

My take on it, just saw it tonight. It was good, but Luke Skywalker

let me down. For all those episodes he was the wanna be Jedi

but after his nephew kicks his butt and burns down his school he

wimps out and hides on an island wallowing in his self pity. If he was

such a great teacher of the art of Jedi with a strong will like Obiwan and

Yoda why did he give up so easily? Out side of that and the part where

Leia gets blown into -360 degree space and lives it was pretty believable.

Sure left the door open for more Jedis to be up and coming in future

sequels.---John

Edited December 27, 2017 by john53

[caiotfjr]

11 hours ago, john53 said:

My take on it, just saw it tonight. It was good, but Luke Skywalker

let me down. For all those episodes he was the wanna be Jedi

but after his nephew kicks his butt and burns down his school he

wimps out and hides on an island wallowing in his self pity. If he was

such a great teacher of the art of Jedi with a strong will like Obiwan and

Yoda why did he give up so easily? Out side of that and the part where

Leia gets blown into -360 degree space and lives it was pretty believable.

Sure left the door open for more Jedis to be up and coming in future

sequels.---John

Luke didn't give up! He finally understood that no one could be a "perfect" Jedi (or a perfect Sith, for that matter), that light and dark are sides of the vital force that connects everything in the universe,  and one has to balance good and evil to be strong with the force. And yes, I didn't like my hero since 1977 to go wherever Obi Wan and Yoda are , but that's what makes TLJ truly special. 

[Emvar]

Well.... I for one will continue to collect the dvds and watching the movies. For entertainment it's good! Never cared about Admiral Ackbar..... which was the first jar jar...

 

I understand the new SW is for today's kids.... Disney will do it.

 

[Raceaddict]

Mark Hamill's own words:

 

I've had trouble accepting what he (Rian Johnson) saw for Luke. But again, I mean, I have to say, having seen the movie I was wrong. I think being pushed out of your comfort zone is a good thing. Because if I was just another benevolent jedi training young Padawans... we've seen it!

 

And that's something I totally agree with.

[SBARC]

My 19 year old daughter loved it....my wife slept during the movie for about 45 minutes.....we went to the 7pm showing so it wasn't a midnight showing that caused her to sleep.  I was somewhere in the middle.....I will go see every Star Wars movie....every Star Trek movie.....every James Bond movie.

 

Regarding the latest Star Wars movie.....I'll let the experts debate the story line.  But for me I miss the subtle charm George Lucas brought the Star Wars movies.  He was very careful that each minute of the movie added to the movie....if  a scene was flat and didn't really add much....he would cut that minute or 2 scene from the final movie....he was very careful to maintain the tempo  the movie.   I found this movie went flat in big chunks between the battle scenes.  Perhaps background music was lacking or something like that...I'm not sure.  I also miss the costumes and fancy hair styles of the females.  And I miss the scene transitions that Lucas used....it is all the small touches that Disney dropped that take away from the magical charm of the Lucas movies.  I do enjoy the space battle scenes etc of the new movies.

[echolmberg]

42 minutes ago, SBARC said:

Regarding the latest Star Wars movie.....I'll let the experts debate the story line.  But for me I miss the subtle charm George Lucas brought the Star Wars movies.  He was very careful that each minute of the movie added to the movie....if  a scene was flat and didn't really add much....he would cut that minute or 2 scene from the final movie....he was very careful to maintain the tempo  the movie.   I found this movie went flat in big chunks between the battle scenes.  Perhaps background music was lacking or something like that...I'm not sure.  I also miss the costumes and fancy hair styles of the females.  And I miss the scene transitions that Lucas used....it is all the small touches that Disney dropped that take away from the magical charm of the Lucas movies.  I do enjoy the space battle scenes etc of the new movies.

 

This pretty much mirrors my view and my family's view on it as well.  At one point, I looked over at my wife and she had her eyes closed but she didn't fall into actual sleep mode.  I couldn't agree more that there were a lot of flat spots that seemed to add zero plot to the movie.  The whole "casino city" thing, I felt, could have been entirely removed from the movie and it wouldn't have altered the story line.  It was a lot of screen time just to find a code breaker guy and free some CGI horse-like creatures.  It seemed like they went off on some pointless tangents.

 

Don't get me wrong!  I like the characters and all that but it could have been a much deeper plot-driven storyline.  It seemed like it was a shallow movie.  Just lots of pew-pew-pew and the good guys get away.  Then the bad guys give chase.  More pew-pew-pew.  Good guys get away.  Insert Kylo Ren shirtless scene (why?).  More pew-pew-pew.  Luke evaporates.

 

Eric

[john53]

Maybe the shirtless Kylo Ren had a subliminal meaning, kinda

like pew pew pew tin!!!! LOL---John

[DarkKnight]

it was SJW mindless crap, designed to create a bias in you and it ruined the movie.  As a model builder, shuttles that look  so totally lame, gorilla AT-ATs, why not just modify the AT-AT? why do all the ships always look crappy, can people not build real models anymore? purpled haired "general"  the women are all so smart and in charge?  fat dumpy girl so out of shape people can feel like they are represented?  A handful of Alliance members are disrupting the whole universe, of course your allies in the outer rim got the message they aren't responding because you smell and they are busy at work

Edited January 1, 2018 by DarkKnight

[Waco]

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it was SJW mindless crap, designed to create a bias in you and it ruined the movie.

 

SJW?

What bias was the shirtless scene trying to create?

[john53]

18 minutes ago, DarkKnight said:

it was SJW mindless crap, designed to create a bias in you and it ruined the movie.  As a model builder, shuttles that look  so totally lame, gorilla AT-ATs, why not just modify the AT-AT? why do all the ships always look crappy, can people not build real models anymore? purpled haired "general"  the women are all so smart and in charge?  fat dumpy girl so out of shape people can feel like they are represented?  A handful of Alliance members are disrupting the whole universe, of course your allies in the outer rim got the message they aren't responding because you smell and they are busy at work

It was an entertaining movie, that said I think from my perspective you hit the nail right on the head!

[DarkKnight]

2 hours ago, Waco said:

 

SJW?

What bias was the shirtless scene trying to create?

thats to send the message to you if you are gay its ok to look at that, also since he's a kid in some ways its a shout out to the new group "pedosexuals"  and seriously some crappy speeder type vehicle with skis?  you got to bomb like WWII with a norden bomb sight and maintain speed and course? they havent invented JDAMs and LGBs?  you can travel faster than light but you bomb with 1940s tech? Luke Skywalker looks like some old pothead, maybe that green milk is pot and Rey is some uptight narc.  Youre in the middle of an important mission and you decide to engage in domestic terrorism and decide to  vandalize Vegas and kill some cops? fake news-little kids care for race horse type creatures worth millions and it pays to abuse your investment.  Nobody can find the famous Jedi Island? Don't eat Porgs be a vegetarian!  They change the name from the Rebel Aliiance to the "resistance"  Notice how al the Rebellion members look dirty unclean, unshaven, unfit, we should admire the people on welfare?  Lax parenting (it takes a village..no it doesn't  control your dman kid) created Kylo Ren, they sent him off to a teacher who abused him.  This needs a reboot, first of all lets start building proper models for special effects 

Edited January 1, 2018 by DarkKnight

[Waco]

Wow, I think you are reading WAY too much into this, or you're reading FAR too much from dark, overly analytical corners of the internet.  There are a lot of issues with The Last Jedi, and I can't say I loved every creative choice they made, but some of the things you're ranting about are non-issues or things you're reading in of your own accord.  Or perhaps you've read them elsewhere, and are making an unnecessarily angry stand on issues you didn't fully think through.

 

Let's talk about the shirtless Kylo Ren scene first, shall we?  I've seen a lot of people complaining about this scene, and frankly, I don't get it.  It was a very brief moment in the movie, and it was meant to push uncomfortable physical intimacy onto Rey to make her even more uncomfortable.  Remember, neither of them can control these links, they're being pushed upon them by Snoke.  And neither of them wanted nor was ready for this particular connection:  Rey is storming around Ach-To to confront Luke and is angry and disheartened, and Kylo is in his personal quarters, probably fuming over his last encounter with Snoke and is in the middle of changing.  They both say they'd, "rather not do this right now."  Rey being uncomfortable with him being partially disrobed just increases her distaste for the moment, making it even more disquieting, and more uncomfortable for her.  In that sense, the scene works extremely well.  I'm not sure how on earth you get that interpretation from a shirtless male, but if you're THAT uncomfortable with lack of clothing, how do you even go to the beach?  Serious question there.  And I've read elsewhere, "there was no point to him being shirtless, Star War doesn't need nudity."  Yeah....good thing they've never shown a Star Wars lead character in a state of undress before:

 

Or worse, good thing they've never tried to use undress to objectify a Star Wars lead!

 

 

 

Moving on....

 

Your complaints about the Rebels/Resistance looking scruffy seems odd to me.  Yes, they are constantly on the run.  The Rebels have ALWAYS looked scruffy in Star Wars movies: 

 

 

It's part of how you visually depict an undermanned, under-resourced, underdog who is fighting a vastly superior military force.  So I don't get that.  You've also made two references to "fat, out of shape."  I'm curious as to who you found to be, "fat and out of shape" in the film, because that doesn't resonate with me.  I'll tell you what I do remember though!  A scruffy, overweight guy from the first film, Star Wars!  That's right, before it was even called, "A New Hope," the first Star Wars film had a scruffy, overweight guy....hell, they even called him, "Porkins," for crying out loud:

 

 

So I don't think this is some new phenomenon, even if there is a fat, out of shape character in TLJ (and I really can't remember one, so I don't think it was a lead).  And speaking of leads, your complaint about female leadership in the Rebellion/Resistance seems equally poorly placed.  This is hardly the first time they've used female leads in this universe:

 

 

There are others:  Padme Amidala, Leia, Jyn Erso....in fact, if you include the EU or many, many comic storylines, there are probably more named, human women leaders than there are male throughout Star Wars.  Seems Geekdom has long looked up to women leaders in Sci Fi.  Go figure.

 

Look, I think the film has some serious issues.  Personally, the slow-speed space chase throughout the entire film drove me insane.  You want to have relentless enemy pursuit across the galaxy, even following through seemingly impossible light-speed jumps, fine...there are ways to make that narrative work.  Personally, I recommend the episode, "33" from the early 2000s Battlestar Galactica, because they did it perfectly.  The way it was handled in TLJ was maddening.  Personally, I feel very few stakes for any of these new characters, because they're mostly flat, singular tropes, with very little depth. 

 

But the accusations you're making?  Yeah, dude, I think you're really, really reaching. 

 

 

 

[DarkKnight]

its run by that SJW propaganda machine Disney, as for the Ren shirtless, I didnt notice, the movie just felt forced, perhaps an unsophisticated homage to empire.  wrong about scruffy in the first movie, Rebels all in uniform, kind of look like Luftwaffe Fallshchirmjager, and Luke is smartly dressed in clean back uniform.  General purple hair is a shout out to all the loser millennials you see at the mall rockin the same look, as if, you can be a nonconformist with bad grades and become a general someday,  The past Rebel Alliance was like the Confederate Army.  As for Porkins, Hermann Goering was fat too, and in the new movie they also kill a fat guy ad maybe an asian pilot too. I thought i posted this already, sorry if its a repeat of sorts, I too enjoyed 33, the nuBSG was pretty good as was the old one, the new SW just seems lacking, its like a few hipsters at down t a coffee house and wrote a crappy script.  I miss the old SW for tis awesome real models special effects, and I enjoyed Slave Leia and Solo wasting greedo, it was good versus evil and redemption.  Hopefully the  last part can be more coherent

Edited January 1, 2018 by DarkKnight