Nightfighter Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 (edited) Thinking of painting my Hasegawa P40E soon and I quite like these 2 schemes...... https://www.super-hobby.com/zdjecia/3/1/7/3995_1-auto_downl.jpg (No.2, 20th Pursuit Group) http://www.hyperscale.com/images/az7400reviewmd_5.jpg (No.2 James O Beckwith) and Backwith's scheme again... https://hobbydb-production.s3.amazonaws.com/processed_uploads/catalog_item_photo/catalog_item_photo/image/187209/United_States_Army_Air_Force_P-40E_Warhawk_Model_Aircraft_f4c07416-8be2-4e35-8887-70f7c708b984.jpg Are the colours, markings correct etc? Edited October 29, 2017 by Nightfighter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gmat Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Here is a photo of Beckwith's P-40E on a Britmodeler thread, http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235028279-p-40bc-hawaii-early-1942-markings/ The vertical marking on the tail might be a recognition marking. Squirt II had two stripes. Grant Quote Link to post Share on other sites
seawinder Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 2 hours ago, Nightfighter said: Thinking of painting my Hasegawa P40E soon and I quite like these 2 schemes...... https://www.super-hobby.com/zdjecia/3/1/7/3995_1-auto_downl.jpg (No.2, 20th Pursuit Group) http://www.hyperscale.com/images/az7400reviewmd_5.jpg (No.2 James O Beckwith) and Backwith's scheme again... https://hobbydb-production.s3.amazonaws.com/processed_uploads/catalog_item_photo/catalog_item_photo/image/187209/United_States_Army_Air_Force_P-40E_Warhawk_Model_Aircraft_f4c07416-8be2-4e35-8887-70f7c708b984.jpg Are the colours, markings correct etc? Well, at least the colors inside the glass panels behind the cockpit are incorrect: they should be the (initial) external camouflage color, not Interior Green. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joel_W Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 19 hours ago, seawinder said: Well, at least the colors inside the glass panels behind the cockpit are incorrect: they should be the (initial) external camouflage color, not Interior Green. A most common mistake. perpetuated by the kit manufactures that have their instructions often showing Interior Green. Joel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nightfighter Posted November 1, 2017 Author Share Posted November 1, 2017 On 10/29/2017 at 2:42 AM, gmat said: Here is a photo of Beckwith's P-40E on a Britmodeler thread, http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235028279-p-40bc-hawaii-early-1942-markings/ The vertical marking on the tail might be a recognition marking. Squirt II had two stripes. Grant Cheers for that. Haven't seen those photos before. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nightfighter Posted November 1, 2017 Author Share Posted November 1, 2017 On 10/29/2017 at 4:22 AM, seawinder said: Well, at least the colors inside the glass panels behind the cockpit are incorrect: they should be the (initial) external camouflage color, not Interior Green. I wonder where that came from? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
seawinder Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 5 minutes ago, Nightfighter said: I wonder where that came from? To what "that" are you referring? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nightfighter Posted November 1, 2017 Author Share Posted November 1, 2017 14 minutes ago, seawinder said: To what "that" are you referring? The colours inside the glass panelling. Was it some model company who started putting the cockpit colour there or someone who did a profile? We'll probably never know I suppose. One of life's great mysteries! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
seawinder Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Probably not. It's certainly seems to be one of those urban myths that gets perpetuated. I imagine somebody at some point reasoned (plausibly but wrongly) that since those surfaces were behind glass, they were painted with interior colors. Incidentally, the same same appears to be true for razorback P-47s -- areas behind the rear glass panels were OD, not DDG or IG. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sowar Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 On this pic we can see the area under rear windows, on 2nd and 3rd aircraft, painted before paint the external area with the same shade, OD 41. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mongo Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 I would suggest that the idea of interior green on the inside of the quarterlights is a misinterpretation of lightening of the underlying color in b&w photos from the effect of the plexiglas panel. Mongo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nightfighter Posted November 14, 2017 Author Share Posted November 14, 2017 (edited) Good points guys. And what about these 2 also (second and 3rd aircraft down 20th pursuit 79th FG)...... Edited November 14, 2017 by Nightfighter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nightfighter Posted November 30, 2017 Author Share Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) Obviously no one knows about those schemes then but does anyone know what shade of olive drab Beckwiths plane would have been? I know drab could vary a lot but would it have been more green than brown? I haven't got any Tamiya olive drab but I've got a tin of Tamiya XF58 olive green ... would that be ok? Also the photo above shows it carrying a bomb but does anyone know if Beckwiths aircraft would have carried the auxilliary tank at any point? Edited November 30, 2017 by Nightfighter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
seawinder Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 On 11/29/2017 at 9:42 PM, Nightfighter said: Obviously no one knows about those schemes then but does anyone know what shade of olive drab Beckwiths plane would have been? I know drab could vary a lot but would it have been more green than brown? I haven't got any Tamiya olive drab but I've got a tin of Tamiya XF58 olive green ... would that be ok? Also the photo above shows it carrying a bomb but does anyone know if Beckwiths aircraft would have carried the auxilliary tank at any point? Olive Drab No. 42, I should think, which would be browner than greener. FWIW, I really like Mr. Color No. 12 ("Olive Drab I") as a good match to OD 42. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sowar Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 OD 42 or MG 42? MG 42 seems greener than OD 41 on this pic P40E could carry a belly tank, 52 US gal only Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DonSS3 Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 To me the interior of that gear door looks more like Yellow Zinc Chromate (untinted ZC) than Interior Green. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nightfighter Posted December 3, 2017 Author Share Posted December 3, 2017 On 12/1/2017 at 11:24 PM, seawinder said: Olive Drab No. 42, I should think, which would be browner than greener. FWIW, I really like Mr. Color No. 12 ("Olive Drab I") as a good match to OD 42. Thanks for that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nightfighter Posted December 4, 2017 Author Share Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/2/2017 at 2:25 PM, Sowar said: OD 42 or MG 42? MG 42 seems greener than OD 41 on this pic P40E could carry a belly tank, 52 US gal only Interesting contrast. The reason I asked about the tank is because I've already added the 52 gallon tank a while back but I was wondering if anyone knows if it would have been attached to Beckwiths plane at some point (around the time the photos of Beckwiths aircraft were taken) as there only seems to be that 1 photo where it has the bomb attached. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
seawinder Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/2/2017 at 11:15 AM, DonSS3 said: To me the interior of that gear door looks more like Yellow Zinc Chromate (untinted ZC) than Interior Green. +1 for me on that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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