11bee Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Looks like deployed Apaches are now sporting LAIRCM rigs. Wonder if these are also being fitted to the Blackhawks and Chinooks in theater? Surprised that we haven't seen these on MH-60;s yet, though the SOAR folks aways got the high tech gear first? https://theaviationist.com/2017/11/16/these-photos-show-u-s-army-ah-64e-apache-supporting-the-fight-against-isis-with-new-counter-ir-missile-systems/ Anyway, just another item to add to the wishlist for aftermarket attention. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mike_45 Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 (edited) That would be cool to get these and have the Hasegawa E available with the upturned exhausts. I cant find that thing anywhere. Edited November 18, 2017 by mike_45 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greg Long Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Mike, Are you looking for the 'E' model Apache in 1/48th, Sealmodel has them in stock Greg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted November 18, 2017 Author Share Posted November 18, 2017 Found this article that has some great info / pics of Iraq deployed helos. http://www.heliopsmag.com/Latest-Issue-PDFs/HOF_13.pdf Answered my question about whether Chinooks were fitted with LAIRCM (yes). Given this, I would assume that deployed Blackhawks also have this fitted, be very curious to see what the installation looks like on those helos. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mike_45 Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 6 hours ago, Greg Long said: Mike, Are you looking for the 'E' model Apache in 1/48th, Sealmodel has them in stock Greg Hey Greg, I am, I have never ordered from Seal before, where are they? And are they pretty reputable? Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Whiskey Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 -64's are just NOW being equipped with these? Sheesh, figures, way to go Army... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greg Long Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Mike, I ordered one from them a couple of months ago arrived safely, great customer service and they are showing in stock now Greg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted November 19, 2017 Author Share Posted November 19, 2017 9 hours ago, Whiskey said: -64's are just NOW being equipped with these? Sheesh, figures, way to go Army... Don't think it's any reflection on the Army. To date, these things have pretty much only been installed on larger helos (Chinooks, 53's, MV-22's, etc). I'm guessing the smaller the airframe, the more involved the installation is (both due to the weight and space constraints). That's why I was curious if they have these on Blackhawks. Seems like a pretty densely packed airframe already. Don't believe any other 64's operated by Israel, UK, etc have anything similar installed. Same applies to the Marine's attack helo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mike_45 Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 11 hours ago, Greg Long said: Mike, I ordered one from them a couple of months ago arrived safely, great customer service and they are showing in stock now Greg Thanks Greg, I spose I will give it a whirl! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rodney Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 (edited) 23 hours ago, 11bee said: Found this article that has some great info / pics of Iraq deployed helos. http://www.heliopsmag.com/Latest-Issue-PDFs/HOF_13.pdf Answered my question about whether Chinooks were fitted with LAIRCM (yes). Given this, I would assume that deployed Blackhawks also have this fitted, be very curious to see what the installation looks like on those helos. Those Chinooks are flying with ATIRCM. Those AH-64E's have ATW. Edited November 19, 2017 by Rodney Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 On 11/19/2017 at 3:08 PM, Rodney said: Those Chinooks are flying with ATIRCM. Those AH-64E's have ATW. ATW? Never heard of it. Thought the article said the Apaches were flying with DON (Dept of Navy) LAIRCM.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rodney Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 21 minutes ago, 11bee said: ATW? Never heard of it. Thought the article said the Apaches were flying with DON (Dept of Navy) LAIRCM.... Advanced Threat Warner (ATW) is the sensor upgrade to DON LAIRCM. It has missile warning, laser warning, and hostile fire in the same form/fit as the previous sensor. Most DON LAIRCM and some LAIRCM platforms are being upgraded to ATW. Here is a NGC data sheet NGC ATW A somewhat recent article, although there are some errors in how it describes functionality https://defensesystems.com/articles/2017/05/11/helosurv.aspx Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 Wow, that’s some pretty slick gear. Didn’t know they even had hostile fire detection available for helos. The fact sheet was interesting, in that it said ATW could be installed in UAV’s. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mike_45 Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 On 11/19/2017 at 2:09 AM, Greg Long said: Mike, I ordered one from them a couple of months ago arrived safely, great customer service and they are showing in stock now Greg Well I ordered one on the 19th of November and it arrived today. Seal Model is good to go! Now I just need to see if I can make one half as nice as the one Rod made I will be happy :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted January 28, 2018 Author Share Posted January 28, 2018 Looks like the new gear still has some issues that need to be resolved (hopefully sooner, rather than later). http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/17969/us-army-hits-setbacks-trying-to-add-new-infrared-countermeasures-to-its-helicopters Question - if you look at the first picture in the linked article, you'll see a rectangular panel scabbed onto the forward section of the tail boom. Never noted this before, is it a new addition and if so, any idea what it is? Also looks like the mounts for the flare buckets have changed. Thought they used the same type as the Blackhawk, just an exposed metal frame? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GMK Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 (edited) Here’s the actual DOT&E report. http://www.dote.osd.mil/pub/reports/FY2017/pdf/army/2017aidonlaircm.pdf I check it every year. Great detail on the CH-53K, VH-91 and lots of other programs. Edited January 28, 2018 by GMK Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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