Loach Driver Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 This might be nothing but the jeep and trailer in this photo look "odd". It looks like it has the batwing antenna and various other blade antennae fixed to the roof. Does anyone have any idea about what make and model of vehicle this is, what unit might be operating it and what its role was? It has the look of something "special" and with those antennae on the roof, it might be connected with the air mission in Somalia. Thanks for any info. LD. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sky Dancer Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 My knowledge of vehicles is limited, but USAF Combat Control teams used to use Mules for A.T.C. duties, perhaps this is the U.S. Army equivalent? Looks like a highly modified Mule??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 Pretty sure the Jeep was long gone from big Army by this time. The Rangers has some unique rides, assume this belonged to one of the “special” units. BTW, what’s on the horizontal stab of that LB in the foreground? Looks like a couple of pods on the back edge. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeavyArty Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 The vehicle is an M151A2 FAV (Fast Attack Vehicle) used by the Rangers. It is most likely a radio relay vehicle or USAF TACP vehicle. They were used as late as SFOR in Bosnia in the late '90s. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Loach Driver Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 14 hours ago, 11bee said: BTW, what’s on the horizontal stab of that LB in the foreground? Looks like a couple of pods on the back edge. I think the two items on the horizontal stab are two protective pads of some kind to protect the tail when loaded on an aircraft for transport. I didn't realize the FAV in the Somalia photo was a member of the MUTT family. I thought they'd have been long retired by 1993. Thanks for the info. LD. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Patrick Leong Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 (edited) Wow, what a wealth of information on this subject! Wish I had found this earlier when I started my project. I'm making a 1/6 scale diorama on the subject, featuring an animated Task Force Ranger hero figure. All of you with sharp eyes will notice the Huey imposter faking as a crashed UH60. I will be adding damage details later so it won't be recognizable:) I also started a build thread here: Pat Leong Edited December 8, 2020 by Patrick Leong Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Watr84 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 I have yet to find, other than one picture, if all aircraft involved in OGS had hand holds on the stabilators. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted June 14, 2021 Author Share Posted June 14, 2021 5 hours ago, Watr84 said: I have yet to find, other than one picture, if all aircraft involved in OGS had hand holds on the stabilators. AFAIK, all the squared folding stabilators have the squared notches (not sure if they are handholds) on them. Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeavyArty Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 13 hours ago, hawkwrench said: AFAIK, all the squared folding stabilators have the squared notches (not sure if they are handholds) on them. That is correct, they all do. All the Op Gothic Serpent helos were either MH-60As or MH-60Ls and all had the square, folding stabilators. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Watr84 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 On 6/15/2021 at 7:07 AM, HeavyArty said: Serpent So, to be accurate with a OGS model I would have to use the Seahawk kit with the center stabilitor and the outboard wings. If, the Seahawk kit has the three-piece stab. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeavyArty Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) Generically, any Multi-Mission (MH) version of S-70 Hawk has the folding stab. You can use any MH/HH-60G, MH-60L, or MH-60S to get the folding stab. With any of the other Naval versions (SH-60B/F, HH-60H, MH-60R) you will bet the folding stab, but the fuselage is wrong. If you are talking about Kitty Hawk's 1/35 models, then the MH-60L kit is the one you want. It is a 160th SOAR helo out of the box. To make it an Op Gothic Serpent helo, you have to change up some things on it. Here is my Op Gothic Serpent MH-60A "Heavy Metal" build using the KH MH-60L: Edited June 16, 2021 by HeavyArty Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kike Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 On 9/10/2019 at 12:15 PM, Cobrahistorian said: Just for giggles, here’s Super 68 (90-26288) as she currently sits in the US Army Aviation Museum. I may have some shots of 10th Mountain Cobras too. Will see what I can find. Did they use these kind of front windows back in Somalia? or the ones with frames on them? KH has both options and instructions say should be the same as in the picture, but watching pictures of that time, one can see the frames. Thnx Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted June 20, 2021 Author Share Posted June 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, kike said: Did they use these kind of front windows back in Somalia? or the ones with frames on them? KH has both options and instructions say should be the same as in the picture, but watching pictures of that time, one can see the frames. Thnx They used the ones with the small sliding window often called the dairy queen window on all the Somalia MH-60L's. Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Watr84 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 I've also seen pictures of Limas without the pilot copilot doors on. Is Super 68 at the Ft. Rucker museum??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kike Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 19 minutes ago, hawkwrench said: They used the ones with the small sliding window often called the dairy queen window on all the Somalia MH-60L's. Tim Thnx Tim! I'm going with those then Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted June 20, 2021 Author Share Posted June 20, 2021 The only MH-60L that flew on the Oct.3rd mission with the pilot's doors on was Super 63, the C2 helicopter. All other MH-60L's flew without them. Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeavyArty Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 (edited) 22 hours ago, Watr84 said: Is Super 68 at the Ft. Rucker museum??? Yes, but it is in a later configuration than it was in Somalia in '93. It is as it was when it last flew operationally in A'stan in 2012. Super 68 at the Army Aviation Museum: http://www.armyaviationmuseum.org/super-68/ Edited June 20, 2021 by HeavyArty Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snake36bravo Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 Sourced today - "Somalia 1994 - Getting ready to board our OGA( Other Government Agency) Huey. Going Hunting for Mohamed Farrah Aidid." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
McFly Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 (edited) Fantastic thread, thank you very much everyone for the information, however, I miss knowing which models can be used. Using Scalemates filters -> https://www.scalemates.com/es/search.php?fkSECTION[]=Kits&q=mh-60&fkTYPENAME[]="Full kits"&fkCATNAME[]="Helicopters"&fkTYPEGROUP[]="Sikorsky S-70" Could this Italeri reference be used by modifying it to an MH-60L? Edited August 2, 2023 by McFly Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeavyArty Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 Not really, the K model had a different nose radar/FLIR mount and other sensors not present on the MH-60L. This kit includes all the parts needed for an MH-60L. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
McFly Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 1 hour ago, HeavyArty said: Not really, the K model had a different nose radar/FLIR mount and other sensors not present on the MH-60L. This kit includes all the parts needed for an MH-60L. Thanks a lot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sarathi S. Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 17 hours ago, HeavyArty said: Not really, the K model had a different nose radar/FLIR mount and other sensors not present on the MH-60L. This kit includes all the parts needed for an MH-60L. Newer boxings of the Kilo kit amusingly no longer have the K nose, but still have the L radar nose. I need to look back in mine to confirm but I think a FLIR might still need to be sourced. Miniguns and the mounts definitely will. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted August 4, 2023 Author Share Posted August 4, 2023 Live Resin sells the miniguns and mounts in 1/48 scale if you can find them. Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
McFly Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 19 hours ago, Sarathi S. said: Newer boxings of the Kilo kit amusingly no longer have the K nose, but still have the L radar nose. I need to look back in mine to confirm but I think a FLIR might still need to be sourced. Miniguns and the mounts definitely will. ...in this kit: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Loach Driver Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 It is 30 years today since the Battle of the Black Sea. May all who died that day rest in peace. LD. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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