Loach Driver Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 OK. I'll stand down. Great to hear that you have some accurate references for this exhaust and that we will get some for the new kit. LD. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DarkKnight Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 45 minutes ago, Floyd S. Werner, Jr. said: I was incorrect. I've come across some 'factory' photos of the real thing in high resolution that I cant' share but the exhaust is rectangular. It will be correct for release. It is not oval. You are correct. I have the pics I need to do this and the end is rectangular. Take a little bit to do them up properly in CAD but Werner's Wings will have them exclusively. Floyd This is awesomely great news, I know to some its a minor detail, but its a fascinating detail and part of the important history of rotary wing aircraft and warfare, Im looking forward to this Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strikeeagle801 Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Are you sure about Thrasher Tim? According the 4th Batt Hawk drivers I saw, she was damaged during the Gothic Serpent operation. Here she is in Yakima a few years ago. Aaron http://www.airfighters.com/photo/113945/M/USA-Army/Sikorsky-MH-60L-Blackhawk/91-26360/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted December 1, 2017 Author Share Posted December 1, 2017 Many more birds flew after the 1st battle for 24 hours. Some were shot up doing resupply. Super 66 being 1 of them according to my source. I'm sure it was all hands and all helos on deck. But Trasher DID NOT participate in the initial assault. Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strikeeagle801 Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Got it. Thank's for clearing that up Tim. Aaron Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, Floyd S. Werner, Jr. said: I was incorrect. I've come across some 'factory' photos of the real thing in high resolution that I cant' share but the exhaust is rectangular. It will be correct for release. It is not oval. Floyd Wish you could share those pics with the class Floyd. Lucky you! Curious if those pics are color? The one semi-decent thumbnail on the LB thread appears to show the entire diffuser in a green-ish color. Wondering if your pics confirm that or not... Also, since you appear to have a source, any way you could confirm when this rig was first introduced and whether or not it's still in use? Edited December 1, 2017 by 11bee Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Floyd S. Werner, Jr. Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 8 hours ago, 11bee said: Wish you could share those pics with the class Floyd. Lucky you! Curious if those pics are color? The one semi-decent thumbnail on the LB thread appears to show the entire diffuser in a green-ish color. Wondering if your pics confirm that or not... Also, since you appear to have a source, any way you could confirm when this rig was first introduced and whether or not it's still in use? Sorry. The pictures are color and the exhaust is natural metal with no color on them. I don't like to go to that well too often as I don't want to be a pain in his fool. It is a good resource. Floyd Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted December 3, 2017 Author Share Posted December 3, 2017 (edited) I have new pics of OGS. Sorry, no little bird pics!!! Here's a new one of Super 64 before the black chalk #'s were painted on. Tim Edited December 3, 2017 by hawkwrench Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted December 3, 2017 Author Share Posted December 3, 2017 (edited) Full shot of Super 66 Tim Edited December 3, 2017 by hawkwrench Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted December 5, 2017 Author Share Posted December 5, 2017 (edited) According to my source, the MH-60's had floor armor up on the cockpit floor. If you have the CC MH-60M detail set, that floor armor can be used for all OGS birds. I'll try to find a pic of what I'm saying. Here's a pic of my build showing the cockpit floor armor. Also, I have a tentative tail # for Super 67. Just waiting on confirmation. Tim Edited December 5, 2017 by hawkwrench Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JakubJakepilot Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 (edited) Hi, really AWESOME topic again !! I compared the info with my Gulf war site, as some of the Gulf war birds were then used in Gothic Serpent. I found more helos which probably been in the Gothic Serpent, but has no callsign. Can anyone check this ? I forgot where I got the info from, but I bet I compiled it from various websites. MH-60A 83-23839 - "Iron Maiden" 83-23853 - "Bat Copter" 83-23887 - "Super 65"/"Heavy Metal" 84-24000 - "The Liberator" 84-24010 - "Bounty Hunter" 85-24395 - "The Predator" MH-60L 89-26184 - "Flatliner" 89-26186 - "Super 62"/"Rude Dude" 89-26188 - "Super 64"/"Venom" 90-26257 - "Super 63"/"Grim Reaper" 90-26276 - "Dirty Deeds" 90-26288 - "Super 68"/"Razor Edge" 91-26324 - "Super 61"/"Thunderstruck" 91-26363 - "Super 66"/"Gun Slinger" and" Super 67" Also, what is the internal/external difference between A and L version ? from modeller´s point ... and, the nose question - I guess the FLIR/radar combo is "easily" replaced with "classic" nose ? Also, still searching for info/pics on the Gulf war adventure of those beauties ;-) Thanks !!! Edited December 5, 2017 by JakubJakepilot P.S. I bet that those tabs on Little Birds are just "bricks" to stop the tail from being bent during shipment ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted December 5, 2017 Author Share Posted December 5, 2017 Where did you get this info from? A website? I'd like to know! Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JakubJakepilot Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 One page was this - http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/16/p/51148/532532.aspx but others ... who knows .... time flies .... I made the table mostly for my Gulf war stuff, and some of the helos from Gulf were then in Gothic Serpent.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted December 5, 2017 Author Share Posted December 5, 2017 I looked at the FSM site. No tail #'s or pics. Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JakubJakepilot Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 HA, I knew it was there, but just the different thread !! http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/16/p/67689/680147.aspx Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeavyArty Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 21 minutes ago, JakubJakepilot said: A, I knew it was there, but just the different thread !! http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/16/p/67689/680147.aspx Wow, that is an old post (2005)! The info has been updated and consolidated below with the latest info I could find on it, including a link to this thread. http://aeroscale.kitmaker.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=216895&page=1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted December 5, 2017 Author Share Posted December 5, 2017 I saw it. That's the old info Gino got from a Gothic Serpent crew chief. Where did you find the Grim Reaper info from? Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JakubJakepilot Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 No idea, really. It could be wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted December 5, 2017 Author Share Posted December 5, 2017 No, you're right. But Grim Reaper was unknown till last week when I found it out. Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JakubJakepilot Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 (edited) Ah ! I looked at my sources again and found this info, this is probably where I got it from: http://www.modelforum.cz/viewtopic.php?f=98&t=32506 EDIT: it points to a different airframe though .... to 91-26362 from 1996 and the info is from Dragon´s 1:144 kit, which is probably wrong then ... Edited December 5, 2017 by JakubJakepilot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted December 5, 2017 Author Share Posted December 5, 2017 When i click on the link that's on that link you provided, it says armorama can't be found. Got any pics of the grim reaper from that link? Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JakubJakepilot Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 12 minutes ago, hawkwrench said: When i click on the link that's on that link you provided, it says armorama can't be found. Got any pics of the grim reaper from that link? Tim No, it is to Czech model site, and it only refers to a Dragon 1:144 which has decals for the Grim Reaper from 1996 for 91-26362 or, as I look in the instructions, for different helo, as there are separate numbers to make the serial number .... so confusing .... https://www.super-hobby.com/products/UH-60A-SOMALIA.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted December 5, 2017 Author Share Posted December 5, 2017 Huh!, that's interesting. I wonder where dragon got the artwork from??? The artwork is wrong and the font is wrong, but they still had to talk to somebody!!! Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted December 5, 2017 Author Share Posted December 5, 2017 Super 63 cowling art pic updated. See page 1! Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Floyd S. Werner, Jr. Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Great stuff. Some of your color call outs I disagree with but the information is awesome. Thanks for the research Floyd Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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