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That was for personnel operating the C2 console. Harrell and Matthews were sitting there. There was still room for the CE's to get out, albeit cramped between the seats and the ammo can and feed belt. I wish I could release the pic of the C2 interior, but I told the crew chief it would remain private. 

Sorry, just trust me on this!

 

 

Tim

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Here's one more I found that shows the layout a little better.

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Tim

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29 minutes ago, hawkwrench said:

Here's one more I found that shows the layout a little better.

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Tim

 

Thanks.  When I get the kit I’ll have to look what’s involved in hanging the two seats sideways instead of facing the rear.

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9 minutes ago, Dave Williams said:

When I get the kit I’ll have to look what’s involved in hanging the two seats sideways instead of facing the rear.

 

The standard way the gunners' seats face (and in the KH kit) is outboard out the gunner's windows, as it is depicted in Tim's picture.  You won't have to change anything.

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58 minutes ago, HeavyArty said:

 

The standard way the gunners' seats face (and in the KH kit) is outboard out the gunner's windows, as it is depicted in Tim's picture.  You won't have to change anything.

 

The KH kit instructions shown here (Step 1, bottom of page 4) seem to show them facing to the rear.

 

http://www.moxing.net/2019/0403/9852_8.html

 

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You're right, it does.  I hadn't seen that.

 

They should be easy to turn 90 degrees by filling the holes and drilling new ones. 

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Usually, there is an "H" bar there that the gunners' seats attach to, as in the Academy kit (part D5, step 3). Hmm, Kitty Hawk doesn't have this.

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With the seats attached below.

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You can see the "H" bar in this pic.

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Even with the seats turned rearward, there should be bars on the ceiling to attach them to.  These look to be another detail to add.

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I found this pic on the internet of Rangers aboard Super 67. If you look close, you can see the H-bar.

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Tim

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1 hour ago, HeavyArty said:

You're right, it does.  I hadn't seen that.

 

They should be easy to turn 90 degrees by filling the holes and drilling new ones. 

202046p02y2bb2s2sy0idp.jpg

 

Usually, there is an "H" bar there that the gunners' seats attach to, as in the Academy kit (part D5, step 3). Hmm, Kitty Hawk doesn't have this.

10113078z2.jpg

 

With the seats attached below.

10113078z3.jpg

 

You can see the "H" bar in this pic.

28.jpg

 

Even with the seats turned rearward, there should be bars on the ceiling to attach them to.  These look to be another detail to add.

32_rear_crew_compartment_3.JPG

 

Yep, saw that too.  Thinking of using the Academy part as a pattern to build the H structure out of styrene rod, and the Eduard interior sets for the Academy kit have the clips that attach the rods to the cabin roof.

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Hawk said that they were "Huey seats". I take that to mean that they were using the jump seats from the UH-1. These jump seats are different than the standard Blackhawk seats and do not have a ceiling attachment point. They are also not crashworthy. There is a four-man bench seat that is also available but I can't find an online picture of it.

 

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Yep, that's them. Super 63 had 4 of them in a row. I'll have to dig through my notes, but I believe they were attached to thick piece of metal that was then attached to the cargo floor. 

 

Tim

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After a face redaction, I asked for and received permission to post a never before seen photo of Super 63 in Somalia.  

Any questions about it, I'll try to answer the best I can.

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Tim

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21 hours ago, Dave Williams said:

Did they all carry the extra fuel tank in front of the rear cabin bulkhead?

 

No, only Super 63, the Command and Control (C&C) aircraft, did so they would have a longer loiter time.

 

For more Op Gothic Serpent-specific info, check out this thread:  http://aeroscale.kitmaker.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=216895&page=1

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6 hours ago, Sarathi S. said:

What's up with that toolbox?

He was doing some maintenance on the bird that day.  If you look close, you'll see the transmission drip pan access covers dangling so he could pull some inspections. 

In front of the aux tank is a black box that stores some additional C2 equipment.  It was kept in the aircraft while flying. 

All the Somalia MH-60's had the old style transmission drip pans.

 

 

Tim

 

Tom

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17 hours ago, Dave Williams said:

Did they all carry the extra fuel tank in front of the rear cabin bulkhead?

Hi, I did this table to sort out all the bits and pieces, all info taken from this thread and pics:

http://212.158.133.54/_other/mh-60_gothic_serpent.html

 

also did a table for AH/MH-6s

http://212.158.133.54/_other/mh-6_gothic_serpent.html

 

Regards

 

Jakub

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Dave, only Super 63 had the aux tank installed so they could loiter in the air for long periods of time.

 

Tim

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I've been collecting images of Super 62, 83-23882 Black Widow for a project. There are some photos of it with the RPG damage about to be sent back to be repaired . Clearly many things have been removed for that purpose and I have been trying to figure out the configuration from that day. I know it had the miniguns on board, does anyone know if the FLIR or radar was on it?

 

Thanks for any help.

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5 hours ago, paulsbrown said:

I've been collecting images of Super 62, 83-23882 Black Widow for a project. There are some photos of it with the RPG damage about to be sent back to be repaired . Clearly many things have been removed for that purpose and I have been trying to figure out the configuration from that day. I know it had the miniguns on board, does anyone know if the FLIR or radar was on it?

 

Thanks for any help.

Look here:  http://aeroscale.kitmaker.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=216895&page=1  All the info you could want on Op Gothic Serpent Black Hawks.

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She had no nose radar at all and they took the FLIR off so it could be loaded onto the C-5 for transport home.

 

Tim

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Hi guys,

 

I was just wondering if anyone could elaborate or provide a reference of the starboard wall section in this image? I'm finding it hard to get an unobstructed view of it in photos, and not really sure what it actually is. I've seen a twisted phone-like cable dangling from in that area in some images, so guessing it may be an intercom of some kind? I'd like to add some more detail and get the colour at least sort of right! 🙂

 

Thanks for any help!

 

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That is the control panel for the external hoist.  The twisted cable goes to a hand-held joystick that the operator can hold to control the hoist while hanging/kneeling out the door for a better view. 

 

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23 minutes ago, HeavyArty said:

That is the control panel for the external hoist.  The twisted cable goes to a hand-held joystick that the operator can hold to control the hoist while hanging/kneeling out the door for a better view. 

 

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Exactly what I needed. Thank you very much! It's nice to finally know what it actually is.

 

Would the OGS helos which didn't have the hoist installed have removed the joystick or just keep it?

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The OGS helos did not use the panel. The hoist control pendant was plugged into the top of the bulkhead.

You can also see the early style FRIES release  

 

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Tim

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