hawkwrench Posted December 5, 2017 Author Share Posted December 5, 2017 Which ones would you disagree with? Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Floyd S. Werner, Jr. Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, hawkwrench said: Which ones would you disagree with? Super 61- Lightning bolt-yellow, grey lettering Super 63-Grey Super 65-OD Super 66-OD Super 67 is Texas Express. Super 68-OD Edited December 5, 2017 by Floyd S. Werner, Jr. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted December 5, 2017 Author Share Posted December 5, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Floyd S. Werner, Jr. said: Super 61- Lightning bolt-yellow, grey lettering Super 63-Grey Super 65-OD Super 66-OD Super 67 is Texas Express. Super 68-OD 65, 66 and 68 were in a tan/yellow lettering not OD. Here's a pic of 66 again. I think it's more toward the tan/yellow side. Tim Edited December 5, 2017 by hawkwrench Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Floyd S. Werner, Jr. Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 19 minutes ago, hawkwrench said: 65, 66 and 68 were in a tan/yellow lettering not OD. Here's a pic of 66 again. I think it's more toward the tan/yellow side. Tim We can agree to disagree on this one. LOL This is faded OD to me. Floyd Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted December 6, 2017 Author Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) Totally agree brother! Tan/yellow it is!!! Lol! I run the colors by my gothic serpent source and get back with you. Tim Edited December 6, 2017 by hawkwrench Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeavyArty Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Floyd S. Werner, Jr. said: Super 61- Lightning bolt-yellow, grey lettering Super 63-Grey Super 65-OD Super 66-OD Super 67 is Texas Express. Super 68-OD Floyd, Do you have the tail # for Super 67 "Texas Express" as well? Maybe a good pic of the artwork too? Edited December 6, 2017 by HeavyArty Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Floyd S. Werner, Jr. Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 I don't have it. Floyd Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DarkKnight Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 could GunSLinger have changed color due to fading and heat, is that part of the engine area hot? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted December 6, 2017 Author Share Posted December 6, 2017 I have a tentative tail # for Texas Express. It's 84-23924. I'm waiting for a confirmation on it. I'm also trying really hard to find that close up pic of the helo in my collection. Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JakubJakepilot Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 OK gents, got a little time and created a table with probably all known info on Blackhawks from GS. Here it is, please, comments/updates/info is more than welcome !! Where there is a blank space in the table, it needs info. Hope you like it ;-) MH-60A/L Gothic Serpent Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Floyd S. Werner, Jr. Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, hawkwrench said: I have a tentative tail # for Texas Express. It's 84-23924. I'm waiting for a confirmation on it. I'm also trying really hard to find that close up pic of the helo in my collection. I have a tentative drawing of the artwork that was passed to me when we were doing the decal sheet. I can't swear to its accuracy but it was better than what we had before, which was nothing. 2 hours ago, JakubJakepilot said: OK gents, got a little time and created a table with probably all known info on Blackhawks from GS. Here it is, please, comments/updates/info is more than welcome !! Where there is a blank space in the table, it needs info. Hope you like it ;-) MH-60A/L Gothic Serpent Looks good. I believe it was only D Company that had the lower fairings removed. Also you are missing Texas Express and Black Widow Floyd Edited December 6, 2017 by Floyd S. Werner, Jr. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted December 6, 2017 Author Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) Floyd, I drew the artwork that you used on the decal sheet. All Gothic Serpent MH-60's had their lower fairings removed. It made it easier for C-5 loadout. Tim Edited December 6, 2017 by hawkwrench Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted December 6, 2017 Author Share Posted December 6, 2017 My source said that the colors were a tan or faded yellow and a faded green. Green meant 1st platoon assault Tan/yellow meant 2nd platoon DAP. Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted December 6, 2017 Author Share Posted December 6, 2017 Jakob, all helos had crew chief seats installed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JakubJakepilot Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) 12 hours ago, hawkwrench said: Jakob, all helos had crew chief seats installed. Hmm, strange, HeavyArty from the other forum wrote " Most, if not all were withoug the gunners seats. They used 40mm ammo cans to sit on. It gave them more room in the cabin for extra troopers and gear. " - so this is incorrect ? 16 hours ago, Floyd S. Werner, Jr. said: I have a tentative drawing of the artwork that was passed to me when we were doing the decal sheet. I can't swear to its accuracy but it was better than what we had before, which was nothing. Looks good. I believe it was only D Company that had the lower fairings removed. Also you are missing Texas Express and Black Widow Floyd Do we have a serial numbers for that Texas Express and Black Widow ? Also, there is an info that plume detectors were not installed and AN/APR-39s were installed. Are they same ? Different ? Do we have a picture of both of them ? Enclosed is a picture of MH-60L DAP I guess with the sensors, can anyone confirm that ? Thanks !! Edited December 7, 2017 by JakubJakepilot update Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted December 7, 2017 Author Share Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) The small circles are the APR-39 sensors. The oval circles are the plume detectors. Gothic Serpent birds did not have the plume detectors. According to my crew chief source, all the crew chief seats were installed. When they flew in a DAP configuration (which was for currency only) they turned the crew chief seats to face forward. The tail #'s for Black Widow and Texas Express are in my thread I started. Tim Edited December 7, 2017 by hawkwrench Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JakubJakepilot Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, hawkwrench said: The small circles are the APR-39 sensors. The oval circles are the plume detectors. Gothic Serpent birds did not have the plume detectors. According to my crew chief source, all the crew chief seats were installed. When they flew in a DAP configuration (which was for currency only) they turned the crew chief to face forward. The tail #'s for Black Widow and Texas Express are in my thread I started. Tim Great, thanks for clarification. Table updated. One small question though: I can not find 84-23882 Black Widow, this airframe probably does not exist, but 83-23882 exists. So maybe a typo ? EDIT: same with 84-23924 - looks like it should be 83-23924 ? another typo ? Edited December 7, 2017 by JakubJakepilot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted December 7, 2017 Author Share Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) Probably my fat fingers, but I'll check to make sure, but it's supposed to be 83-23882, not 84. Where are you looking to find the tail #s? Tim Edited December 7, 2017 by hawkwrench Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JakubJakepilot Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 hour ago, hawkwrench said: Probably my fat fingers, but I'll check to make sure, but it's supposed to be 83-23882, not 84. Where are you looking to find the tail #s? Tim I am usually checking those two websites - http://www.scramble.nl/ and http://www.joebaugher.com/ They helped me a lot in the past .. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted December 7, 2017 Author Share Posted December 7, 2017 Jakob, sorry, fat fingered #'s. Tail #'s corrected on my thread. Thanks for the heads up! We need that list up on this thread. Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted December 7, 2017 Author Share Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) All of the MH-60's deployed to Mogadishu carried the life rafts on board in between the crew chief's seats except Super 63. The C2 console was installed in between the 2 crew chief's seats. Here's a pic of the life raft on board a MH-60: The lift rafts were big orange bags with off white carry handles. Down the middle was the zipper. When you unzipped it, you activated the air bottle which filled the raft full of air. They were stored lengthwise in between the crew chief seats when flying over water or operating near water environments. At the end of the flights, they were turned back in to the ALSE shop. (Aviation Life Support Equipment) Tim Edited December 7, 2017 by hawkwrench Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JakubJakepilot Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 11 hours ago, hawkwrench said: All of the MH-60's deployed to Mogadishu carried the life rafts on board in between the crew chief's seats except Super 63. The C2 console was installed in between the 2 crew chief's seats. Here's a pic of the life raft on board a MH-60: The lift rafts were big orange bags with off white carry handles. Down the middle was the zipper. When you unzipped it, you activated the air bottle which filled the raft full of air. They were stored lengthwise in between the crew chief seats when flying over water or operating near water environments. At the end of the flights, they were turned back in to the ALSE shop. (Aviation Life Support Equipment) Tim Thanks for all the info, I updated my table. Hope you dont mind using your text on my page, just to get all info on one page ;-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted December 8, 2017 Author Share Posted December 8, 2017 Nope, don't mind at all. Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Not sure if you guys have seen this site - I just stumbled upon it. Pretty good source of OGS pictures. Mostly geared towards the operators / rangers and their gear but also has some decent shots of some of the helos. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/270465-operation-gothic-serpent-black-hawk-down/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JakubJakepilot Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 (edited) On 9. 12. 2017 at 3:55 PM, 11bee said: Not sure if you guys have seen this site - I just stumbled upon it. Pretty good source of OGS pictures. Mostly geared towards the operators / rangers and their gear but also has some decent shots of some of the helos. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/270465-operation-gothic-serpent-black-hawk-down/ Great site !!! Thanks a lot for the link. One more question - cocpit FS 37038 Black and main cabin FS 36375 Light Compass Ghost Grey ? Thx . EDIT: What about FRIES system ? On all birds ? even on the C2 bird ? Edited December 11, 2017 by JakubJakepilot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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