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On 09/12/2017 at 2:55 PM, 11bee said:

Not sure if you guys have seen this site - I just stumbled upon it.   Pretty good source of OGS pictures.   Mostly geared towards the operators / rangers and their gear but also has some decent shots of some of the helos. 

 

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/270465-operation-gothic-serpent-black-hawk-down/

 

 

Post 174 in the above link. Something new in that photo that we have never seen before regarding Gothic Serpent Little Birds. Were Seaspray/Echo Squadron in Somalia?

 

LD.

 

See post 104 too. 

Edited by Loach Driver

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2 hours ago, Loach Driver said:

Post 174 in the above link. Something new in that photo that we have never seen before regarding Gothic Serpent Little Birds. Were Seaspray/Echo Squadron in Somalia?

 

LD.

 

See post 104 too. 

Good eyes LD...    That tail fin struck me as being odd but I didn't pay any other attention to it.

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2 hours ago, 11bee said:

Good eyes LD...    That tail fin struck me as being odd but I didn't pay any other attention to it.

I'm not picking it up.  What is unique that I missed?
Floyd

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27 minutes ago, Floyd S. Werner, Jr. said:

I'm not picking it up.  What is unique that I missed?
Floyd

 

Me either.  It looks like a standard AH/MH-6J "T"-tail to me as well.

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34 minutes ago, Floyd S. Werner, Jr. said:

I'm not picking it up.  What is unique that I missed?
Floyd

 

LD posted the pic in the non-160th Little Bird thread.  I can't link from the device I am currently one but feel free to check out it out.   Doesn't look like a standard H-6J tail to me.  If anyone's ever seen an Army H-6 with this type of tail, please post some pics. 

 

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On the MH-60 sheet, you have your Super 62s swapped.  Rude Dude was the original Super 62 and down for maintenance due to an engine swap.  Black Widow became Super 62 when the crew jumped in it and used it instead of Rude Dude.

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2 hours ago, JakubJakepilot said:

Also, I did a small table for the AH/MH-6Js - AH/MH-6J

Again, any updates/corrections etc are appreciated

 

 

Star Flight- Some serial numbers I've been able to pull off of photos.

MH-6 25371 (May have had Dagger on the nose)

MH-6 2365?

MH-6 648

MH-6 318 (had Dagger on the nose)

 

No MH-6Js had the downturned exhaust

 

Barber Flight- 51 through 54

AH-6J 25362 (Harley Davidson emblem on nose)

AH-6J 23635 (Moe Betta on the nose)

AH-6j 25348 

AH-6J Unknown

 

Randy Jones AH-6J did have a FLIR.  Only one AH with it, not sure which one is his. 

All AH-6Js had the downturned exhausts

All AH-6Js had the internal extra fuel tank

All AH-6Js had two M-134s and two M-260 seven shot pods

 

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4 hours ago, JakubJakepilot said:

Also, I did a small table for the AH/MH-6Js - AH/MH-6J

Again, any updates/corrections etc are appreciated

 

Regards

 

Jakub

 

 

MH-6.

Star 41 was crewed by CWO4 Keith Jones and CWO3 Karl Meier. Keith Jones deployed from the aircraft and collected two injured crew from first crash site. Flew the aircraft in this scene in "Blackhawk Down".

"648" was 81-23648. Another MH-6 present in Somalia was 81-2365X (last digit not visible in the photo I have). 

 

 

AH-6.

The crews for the AH-6 Little Birds are believed to be as follows;

Barber 51; CWO5 Randy Jones and CWO3 Hal Wade.

Barber 52; CWO3 Larry Kulsrud and CWO2 Paul White.

Barber 53; CWO2 Tom Rinderer and CWO2 Jerry Harp.

Barber 54; Captain John Harrison and CWO3 Chris Smith.

 

Other Little Birds believed to have been present in Somalia and have flown as AH-6G Little Birds are;

319; 84-24319
361; 90-25361
362; 90-25362 (Harley Davidson decal on nose, no FLIR fitted).

 

One AH-6G, Moe Betta artwork, 25348 (possibly 90-25348) had a FLIR fitted. If Randy Jones' LB was the only one fitted with a FLIR, then it appears that 90-25348 Moe Betta was his ship and therefore was Barber 51. Video footage showing an AH-6 Little Bird in the air on the 3rd of October shows it without a FLIR. It appears the majority of the AH-6 Little Birds flew with the FLIR mount fitted but with the FLIR turret removed, as stated in Floyd's preceding post.  

 

LD.

 

Edit regarding Floyd's post.

 

MH-6 25371 (One list of serials I have for the LB fleet, from the internet) shows the only "317" in the list as being 95-25371. It depends on how accurate the list is!)

MH-6 2365?

MH-6 648 (81-23648)

MH-6 318 (I can find no Little Bird with the serial "318" in any of the lists I have)

 

One of the serial lists I have also states that 81-23635 was a Gothic Serpent participant and flew as Star 44. As always, we are left with as many questions as answers when we examine the LB fleet.:bandhead2:  Photo evidence is probably the best piece of evidence that will prove to be the most reliable.

 

 

 

Edited by Loach Driver

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Jakub, I can't open the tables for some reason.  Any chance you could IM them to me?  I'd really like to see them!

 

Thanks!

 

Ski

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