Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 New Year's morning, 1943, a badly hungover handful of officers and enlisted gathered to read the orders officially establishing VF-17. After the orders were read, most promptly returned to bed. Hardly an indicator of the destruction the group would wreak in the Pacific theatre less than a year later. :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Darren Roberts Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Not to be technical, but the current JR's are only around 21 years old. VFA-103 can't trace their lineage to VF-17, just their name. Now back to our regularly scheduled birthday celebration. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Johnopfor Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 .....and so it begins.......popcorn, please........ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GW8345 Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Technically, VFA-103 isn't really the Jolly Roger's, they are the Jolly Slugger's. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CJ Martin Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Fear the...bats! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share Posted January 5, 2018 19 hours ago, Darren Roberts said: Not to be technical, but the current JR's are only around 21 years old. VFA-103 can't trace their lineage to VF-17, just their name. Now back to our regularly scheduled birthday celebration. Okay, I understand and respect what you're sayin'.... there have long been squadrons which have been disestablished, then later resurrected later by OTHER personnel in another group, VFA-111 is a good example. But I differ with the JR's in that, both times they were disestablished (first as VF-61, then VF-84), the SAME PERSONNEL transferred to another unit and immediately took over. As a fellow JR friend of mine points out, it is just as when the pirates of old were on a sinking ship, they promptly hijacked another. Same pirates. This is what they did both times with the same personnel, and to that end I think it can be argued that those personnel carried the tradition personally both to the next unit, allowing it to survive unbroken without a gap in time. Slowed and damaged, sure, but unbroken. Sort of. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share Posted January 5, 2018 2 hours ago, CJ Martin said: Fear the...bats! Okay, that's funny! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
john53 Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 The "original" Jolley Roger. Feared but not forgotten. Long live Captain Jolley!!!!!--John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share Posted January 5, 2018 41 minutes ago, john53 said: The "original" Jolley Roger. Feared but not forgotten. Long live Captain Jolley!!!!!--John Love it!! Never saw that before. Though not quite "the original," being after VF-17 and also the B-24 group of the same name... But man, I like it!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
john53 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 I guess he's original for the fledgling USAF, B-24s would be USAAF? Capt Clifford Jolley.---John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GW8345 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy said: But I differ with the JR's in that, both times they were disestablished (first as VF-61, then VF-84), the SAME PERSONNEL transferred to another unit and immediately took over. As a fellow JR friend of mine points out, it is just as when the pirates of old were on a sinking ship, they promptly hijacked another. Same pirates. This is what they did both times with the same personnel, and to that end I think it can be argued that those personnel carried the tradition personally both to the next unit, allowing it to survive unbroken without a gap in time. Slowed and damaged, sure, but unbroken. Sort of. I'm sorry but that is incorrect, when VF-84 decomm'ed their personnel did not go to VF-103 and take over. Only about a hand full of former VF-84 personnel went to VF-103, a vast majority of the personnel in VF-103 when they took over The Jolly Roger's linage were Slugger's. When VF-84 decom'ed their personnel were farmed out to just about every Tomcat squadron at Oceana. The only reason why VF-103 took over the Jolly Roger's linage was because the skipper of VF-103 at the time was trying to suck up to FITWING and make Captain, none of the Slugger personnel wanted to take over that linage and were pissed when the skipper shoved it down their throats. VF-103 skipper was such a piece of work that he banned everyone in the squadron from wearing a Slugger patch on their flight jackets and made the history of the Slugger's to disappear in a blink of an eye. VF-84's personnel didn't go over to VF-103 and take over, VF-103 skipper stabbed every Slugger in the back in order to try to make Captain. The VF-84 personnel who went over to VF-103 were resented and not well liked because of what the skipper did, and that resentment lasted for years. Edited January 6, 2018 by GW8345 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted January 6, 2018 Author Share Posted January 6, 2018 1 hour ago, GW8345 said: I'm sorry but that is incorrect, when VF-84 decomm'ed their personnel did not go to VF-103 and take over. Only about a hand full of former VF-84 personnel went to VF-103, a vast majority of the personnel in VF-103 when they took over The Jolly Roger's linage were Slugger's. When VF-84 decom'ed their personnel were farmed out to just about every Tomcat squadron at Oceana. The only reason why VF-103 took over the Jolly Roger's linage was because the skipper of VF-103 at the time was trying to suck up to FITWING and make Captain, none of the Slugger personnel wanted to take over that linage and were pissed when the skipper shoved it down their throats. VF-103 skipper was such a piece of work that he banned everyone in the squadron from wearing a Slugger patch on their flight jackets and made the history of the Slugger's to disappear in a blink of an eye. VF-84's personnel didn't go over to VF-103 and take over, VF-103 skipper stabbed every Slugger in the back in order to try to make Captain. The VF-84 personnel who went over to VF-103 were resented and not well liked because of what the skipper did, and that resentment lasted for years. Okay, if that's true then I certainly stand corrected...was my impression at least for the VF-61 to 84 transition, from what I'd read...if I'm wrong there someone please correct me.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted January 6, 2018 Author Share Posted January 6, 2018 Anyway. Irregardless of who's flying the JR flag today, and irregardless of the fact that irregardless isn't even a word, I just enjoy using it, STILL a Happy 75th to the creation of The Bones! :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PhantomPhreakII Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 On 4-1-2018 at 7:30 PM, maveric043 said: Sweet superbug.....!!!!! Harald Quote Link to post Share on other sites
maveric043 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 thank you! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PhantomPhreakII Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 And now lets hope some one will do these decals.... Harald Quote Link to post Share on other sites
xavi84 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 51 minutes ago, PhantomPhreakII said: And now lets hope some one will do these decals.... Harald Furball Aero Design is already on it! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PhantomPhreakII Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Aw crap.... like I need more decals... :-) Then again, I did ask, didn't I?? Harald Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tracy White Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Decals aren't the problem - they store nice. It's when you start wanting models for all of the decals that there becomes a serious issue. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darren Roberts Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Now those are sweet markings! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Falconxlvi Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 3 hours ago, Tracy White said: Decals aren't the problem - they store nice. It's when you start wanting models for all of the decals that there becomes a serious issue. Truer words were never spoken!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PhantomPhreakII Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Falconxlvi said: Truer words were never spoken!!! Yep.... Harald Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SERNAK Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 (edited) On 1/5/2018 at 7:19 PM, Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy said: VFA-111 is a good example. You mean VFC-111 (redesignated from VFC-13) or, VF-111? Edited January 13, 2018 by SERNAK Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted January 13, 2018 Author Share Posted January 13, 2018 8 hours ago, SERNAK said: You mean VFC-111 (redesignated from VFC-13) or, VF-111? Yep, near enough Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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