Specter1075 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Hello all, I have been digging and digging trying to find images of how conventional bombs are arranged in the bays of the B-1. I have found a few images, but the perspectives aren't great and I can't really tell how exactly everything is supposed to sit in each bay. Specifically, I am hoping to scratch-build a basic mount for a bay of GBU-54s, and a bay of CBU-105s. My understanding is that you would have twenty-eight of the -54s, and ten of the -105s. I figure the rack would not be overly visible with that many munitions packed in, but Id like to see how exactly they get arranged. Can anyone point to something that may help? It is appreciated! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 (edited) The only thing I found was a simple drawing in Detail & Scale Vol 37, p.65 of the “non-nuclear module“ I did find several text references that mention the CRSLs are “fully compatible with gravity-drop weapons” edit: Squadron’s B-1 In Action #179 surprisingly has several good b&w shots of the slant loading CWM, both loaded and unloaded. I didn’t check this book initially as the In Action series isn’t usually known for obscure detail pics. Edited January 14, 2018 by habu2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TBP1538 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Do these help? I don't really know much about the B-1's weapons bays, but these are GBU-38s, -54s, and -31s loaded in a B-1 in 2013/2014... -Todd Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, TBP1538 said: Do these help? I don't really know much about the B-1's weapons bays, but these are GBU-38s, -54s, and -31s loaded in a B-1 in 2013/2014... The first three pics show the CWM, the last two show the CRSL. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Finn Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 (edited) Here are a couple showing the 10 bomb config without and with bombs: and here is the one with multiple bomb config: http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA-Air-Force/Rockwell-B-1B-Lancer/139294 Jari Edited January 14, 2018 by Finn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 The 10 point rack is static/rigid while the 28 (?) point rack is articulated, in the linked pic the two left racks in each pair (fore/aft) pivot to clear the drop path for the remaining stores. Both modules use the same airframe mounts as the rotary launchers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Scroll down to the last three pics on this page: https://www.flickr.com/photos/sheppardafb1/sets/72157633486442741/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Specter1075 Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 Thanks for the replies guys, its really appreciated! Habu, thanks a bunch! I'll try to get a copy of Squadron's 179. I think what you've found for the 10 point rack is pretty spot on, and clear in how things sit. I'll attach the pics I've found to compare. I think I found an empty rack for the 500 pounders, but being articulated, its hard to see how exactly everything sits with all the offsets from center. In the pic I found, it does look like there is 28 hard points, but they are not symmetrically laid out, which makes it harder to see whats going on. Another thing is that Flickr album gives me the designator for the munitions loader, which I didn't know before. I've got something new to search for. TBP, your pics are helpful too. Especially the one with the laser JDAMs. I hadnt seen anything from that angle before, so its another part of the puzzle. Thanks! Finn, yours are excellent. The 10 point layout is a lot clearer when I look at your pictures. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 5 hours ago, Specter1075 said: Another thing is that Flickr album gives me the designator for the munitions loader, which I didn't know before. I've got something new to search for. Be aware the photos on that flickr album are of a weapon loading trainer, not an actual airframe. Note the proximity of the hangar walls and doors, lack of nose gear doors, etc. Just to confirm, MHU-196 is the designation of the munitions handling trailer, not the actual weapon module. The TW367 stenciled on the module is most likely a reference to the 367 TRS at Sheppard AFB. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Specter1075 Posted January 15, 2018 Author Share Posted January 15, 2018 44 minutes ago, habu2 said: Be aware the photos on that flickr album are of a weapon loading trainer, not an actual airframe. Note the proximity of the hangar walls and doors, lack of nose gear doors, etc. Just to confirm, MHU-196 is the designation of the munitions handling trailer, not the actual weapon module. The TW367 stenciled on the module is most likely a reference to the 367 TRS at Sheppard AFB. Ah yes. I did realize that after the fact, though it still helps since pictures of them are often with a B-1. I didn't find much else beyond what was suggested above, but I spent a lot of time digging. :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Finn Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Here is one being loaded: Jari Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Specter1075 Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 Thanks Jari! I thought I had replied to you earlier. That does indeed help! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Habu2, You da man! This will be very helpful with my 34th BS B-1B build. Thanks. R/ Dutch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Specter1075 Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 What airframe are you building, Dutch? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) 86-0134 with the MO tail code circa 1994-95. Edited January 26, 2018 by Dutch added link Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Specter1075 Posted January 26, 2018 Author Share Posted January 26, 2018 Very nice! I'm hoping to do one of the ones currently at Ellsworth in 1/48. I've bought Caracal decal's 1/48 set, so it will be either 86-0121 or 86-0139. I suspect 0139 will be my choice. When will you be starting the Bone? I'd love to follow your progress! PS: Being somewhat new to the hobby, I've never noticed that Scalemates allows people to track projects. That's a neat feature! If I can make it work, I'll have a look at some of your other stuff that you've done for your 366th project! (Assuming pics have been uploaded someplace...) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Again thank you for the vote of confidence. I am still in the gathering stage. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CzechCutter Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) Hello, What would you say about this? 10-store CBM (more variants - empty, loaded) for B-1B 1/48 ready for CBU-97 or CBU-105 (Eduard Accessories) will be available in July 2019 Edited March 12, 2019 by CzechCutter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Specter1075 Posted March 12, 2019 Author Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) Good god, you are my hero! I'll be first in line for that! Who is making it? Edited March 12, 2019 by Specter1075 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CzechCutter Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Master is mine and Armycast from Czech Republic will realize production 🙂 There will be possibility to build simplified or High-Tech (on photo) version of two CBM variants (different electronic boxes) CBUs are available from Eduard Model Accessories (we think about "royal class set" with CBUs in cooperation with Eduard) my B-1B list to do next: CRL with GBU-31 (v) 1/B and GBU-31 (v) 3/B Sniper pod with pylon (coop with Eduard) Did You see our previous work https://www.scalemates.com/kits/armycast-mandm-ac-48014-b-1b-wing-mechanics--1182502 ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Specter1075 Posted March 12, 2019 Author Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) You are already my hero! I have bought set of wing flaps/slats, and now I only wait for this bomb bay set! With your CRL's, I will have everything I need for the perfect B-1b! Your work is phenomenal!! My plan is to do combined munitions, and CBU-105 with GBU-31 would look fantastic! Will AviationMegaStore be the only place to buy, like with the wing sets? Do you have ETA for the GBU-31 version, or only the CBU set will be this year? Thank you again! Edited March 12, 2019 by Specter1075 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Specter1075 Posted March 12, 2019 Author Share Posted March 12, 2019 Hey CzechCutter, if you have Facebook, you should join the B-1B Builder's Support Group. The guys there will go crazy for your work! We have over 1000 members, so it will help you will sales too!https://www.facebook.com/groups/510129559386191/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CzechCutter Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, Specter1075 said: You are already my hero! I have bought set of wing flaps/slats, and now I only wait for this bomb bay set! With your CRL's, I will have everything I need for the perfect B-1b! Your work is phenomenal!! My plan is to do combined munitions, and CBU-105 with GBU-31 would look fantastic! Will AviationMegaStore be the only place to buy, like with the wing sets? Do you have ETA for the GBU-31 version, or only the CBU set will be this year? Thank you again! AviationMegaStore will be the only official place to buy it, but you can try to contact Armycast directly (carefully - they will spend many sleepless nights on this set to satisfy megastore) 🙂. I'm drawing instruction sheet for CBM now, then I will draw 3D model of CRL (I hope, it will be our first 3D print). I think, CRL will be ready in the end of this year , but I can't promise it. It's just my hobby and it depends on my health and leisure. Edited March 13, 2019 by CzechCutter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Specter1075 Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 I am very glad for your hobby! I know others are too! I can't wait to purchase a set or two! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Johnalpha Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 15 hours ago, CzechCutter said: AviationMegaStore will be the only official place to buy it, but you can try to contact Armycast directly (carefully - they will spend many sleepless nights on this set to satisfy megastore) 🙂. I'm drawing instruction sheet for CBM now, then I will draw 3D model of CRL (I hope, it will be our first 3D print). I think, CRL will be ready in the end of this year , but I can't promise it. It's just my hobby and it depends on my health and leisure. Looks great. It appears (hopefully) That the half bay and bulkheads are 3D printed and will be in resin and the boxes and BRUs are brass. - Can you confirm. This will be the best way to do this Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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