Vaildog Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 I have the Hasegawa boxing in the blue on blue scheme, but the stencils supplied in the kit decals are the wrong color. IRL the stencils are white, but the ones in the kit are black. Does anyone make these? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Brown Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Icarus 48005 has white F-4E stencils. The sheet probably doesn't include EJ-specific stencils, but it will get you 99% of the way there. Ben Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Are you quite sure the stencils were white? It sounds like you are doing the F-4EJ Kai maritime scheme. If it is that scheme, then the stencils are actually black, but they masked off each and every stencil before painting the blue on blue scheme. So, each stencil is actually black on a grey background. Pictures taken from a distance may appear to show white or light colored stencils, but they are in fact black (or actually whatever the original color was) on grey. The grey was usually either light or dark ghost grey as the aircraft were originally painted in a two tone camo with those colors. See the pic below. Look closely and you will see the grey background on the stencils. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hoops Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 57 minutes ago, Mstor said: Are you quite sure the stencils were white? It sounds like you are doing the F-4EJ Kai maritime scheme. If it is that scheme, then the stencils are actually black, but they masked off each and every stencil before painting the blue on blue scheme. So, each stencil is actually black on a grey background. Pictures taken from a distance may appear to show white or light colored stencils, but they are in fact black (or actually whatever the original color was) on grey. The grey was usually either light or dark ghost grey as the aircraft were originally painted in a two tone camo with those colors. See the pic below. Look closely and you will see the grey background on the stencils. Mstor is completely correct. I did a walkaround of one of the 9th Squadron F-4EJs and had the opportunity to get up close in 2006, and all the stencils are standard, black F-4EJ stencils applied on a grey aircraft. They are then masked off, as well as bunch of individual panel lines and other joints, and then the two blue colors are sprayed over the top. The masking is then removed leaving lots of individual blocks of grey all over the aircraft. And before you ask, my hard drive was corrupted years ago and I do not have the images any more. Cheers, Hoops Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) if you look closely to the stencils provided with the kit, you should see the light grey "outline" on many of them. Edited April 11, 2018 by mingwin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vaildog Posted April 11, 2018 Author Share Posted April 11, 2018 56 minutes ago, Hoops said: Mstor is completely correct. I did a walkaround of one of the 9th Squadron F-4EJs and had the opportunity to get up close in 2006, and all the stencils are standard, black F-4EJ stencils applied on a grey aircraft. They are then masked off, as well as bunch of individual panel lines and other joints, and then the two blue colors are sprayed over the top. The masking is then removed leaving lots of individual blocks of grey all over the aircraft. And before you ask, my hard drive was corrupted years ago and I do not have the images any more. Cheers, Hoops Ugh, That is going to make for a tedious and near impossible masking job Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kurt H. Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 I had the same concern when I got that kit. I wondered how Hasegawa could make such an obvious mistake. But the decals are correct, It is hard to see, I had to use a magnifying glass to see the black writing on a gray background I took a picture with a zoom lens to illustrate this when I figured it out The color of the decal paper blends in with the gray color of the stencils, so it looks like it is just black stencils. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Mingwin and Kurt H. are correct. The Hasegawa boxing has the grey background on the stencils. All is right with the world Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vaildog Posted April 12, 2018 Author Share Posted April 12, 2018 Thanks for all the replies everyone. Very helpful. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Brown Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 17 hours ago, Hoops said: Mstor is completely correct. I did a walkaround of one of the 9th Squadron F-4EJs and had the opportunity to get up close in 2006, and all the stencils are standard, black F-4EJ stencils applied on a grey aircraft. They are then masked off, as well as bunch of individual panel lines and other joints, and then the two blue colors are sprayed over the top. The masking is then removed leaving lots of individual blocks of grey all over the aircraft. And before you ask, my hard drive was corrupted years ago and I do not have the images any more. Cheers, Hoops (Ben quietly removes the F-4EJ Kai in blue camouflage from his "to build" list). Sigh. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Ben Brown said: (Ben quietly removes the F-4EJ Kai in blue camouflage from his "to build" list). Sigh. "Why?", an on-looker asked, emoting concern and empathy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Brown Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 I recently did full stenciling for an F-4B and I'm about to do it again on an RF-4C, because I didn't learn my lesson the first time. To have to add the tiny gray backgrounds prior to adding the stencils would probably push me right over the edge! Ben Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 if you're using the kit's decals you won't have to overlay stencils over the light gray background, as it's already there with the stencils. on the "plus" side, on the Oceanic scheme EJ that i did, the stencils where often "bundled" in such fashion it wasn't that tedious to add all the stencils. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Brown Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Just out of curiosity, are there any aftermarket decals for this camo scheme? Google wasn't much help this time. Ben Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zerosystem Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Now what would be the Vallejo colors for that scheme...;-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ytsejam87 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 mr. color has this set<link to amazon>: Mr.color Featured Set CS665 Japan Air Self-Defense Force Cleaner Marine Camouflage Color Color I have it for my F-2's on my bench. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Ben Brown said: Just out of curiosity, are there any aftermarket decals for this camo scheme? Google wasn't much help this time. Ben I've never found any. It is sad that the aftermarket decal makers have ignored the F-4EJ for so long. There are dozens and dozens of interesting and weird Japanese Phantoms. Aeromaster did one or two sheets with a few examples. I have one of them and but it doesn't include a full stencil set. If you are interested in the subject, I would suggest finding a copy of "Defenders of Nippon: F-4 Phantom II". It's hard to come by but has hundreds of side few drawing of F-4EJs in various and assorted color schemes. One must take the colors used in the pics with a huge grain of salt as they are not even close to being accurate, but there is info on each aircraft and FS approximations of the colors used. Needless to say, I really like the F-4EJ line Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, Ben Brown said: Just out of curiosity, are there any aftermarket decals for this camo scheme? Google wasn't much help this time. Ben long ago, but now discontinued, there was the HobbyDecal "dry transfer" & decals set, in the three main scales. Edited April 13, 2018 by mingwin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MoFo Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Platz has done decals for the scheme. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HaroldK Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 I have searched for the Platz set in 1/72 with no luck for over a year. If you know where I might find them, please let me know. Cheers, Harold Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joerg Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 9 hours ago, HaroldK said: I have searched for the Platz set in 1/72 with no luck for over a year. If you know where I might find them, please let me know. Cheers, Harold Harold, the Hobbydecal set is available in 1/72 according to their site: http://www.hobbydecal.com/detail.cgi?number=al72008v1 HTH Joerg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Brown Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Sadly, Hobbydecal isn't an option, unless you find them second-hand. Based on posts in the Hobbydecal ARC forum, above, they've been out of business since 2015, but their web site is still up. I would have jumped on their F-4EJ and Royal Navy Phantom FG.1 decals in a heartbeat if they were still trading. Did Platz do these decals in 1/48 or just 1/72? I dont' see 1/48 anywhere on their web site. Ben Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JackMan Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 If I'm not mistaken, this boxing of the 1/48 F-4EJ kit also has the greyed-out stencils: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Hasegawa-1-48-F-4EJ-PHANTOM-II-ADTW-620th-ANNIVERSARY-07437/392018153797?hash=item5b461a5145:g:Me4AAOSwEjFXfguO http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10384209 You could leave out the special anniversary part of the decals & just use the data stencils. Other options: http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10363789 http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10043476 http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10043482 Some of the sold out ones do pop up on E-bay from time to time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JackMan Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Ben Brown said: Did Platz do these decals in 1/48 or just 1/72? I dont' see 1/48 anywhere on their web site. Ben Platz only did those in 1/72: http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10030444 It was sold out pretty quick. Luckily Fujimi released their 1/72 F-4EJ kit with the same decals: http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10094784 and more recently their RF-4E kit: http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10368218 While the decals are great and offer the greyed-out stencils, both Fujimi kits are of the earlier JASDF Phantom variants and don't have the "Kai" modifications ( wingtip and fin-top antennas). Only Hasegawa JASDF "Kai" Phantoms have them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HaroldK Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Hi All, Thanks for all your comments. I have the Hobbydecal sheet mentioned above. They are the rub on type which I have never used before. I had put a search out in the past for the Platz sheet JD-18 without success. I have heard mixed reviews about the stock Fujimi decals in general being a challenge to work with at times. That said, I'm not sure how much better the Hasegawa kit decals for this scheme would be either. Cheers, Harold Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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