Joel_W Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 I'm really on the fence about buying the kit or not. While no one can ever accuse me of being a rivet counter, this is one issue that so apparent, and so wrong, that I'll most likely wait until there is a AM resin replacement option. Joel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Brown Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 I'll still probably pick one up (assuming they didn't do a repeat of the Banshee debacle) and hope someone releases some corrected intakes before I get around to building it. If not, I'll just fix the kit intakes. MStor, if you have any pull with the aftermarket manufacturer, please encourage them to go ahead with those intakes. They should be a good seller, since they'd apply to the previous single-seat kit, too! KurtH, I had to mill out the camera window openings on my C&H RF-101G/H, too. Ben Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Ben Brown said: MStor, if you have any pull with the aftermarket manufacturer, please encourage them to go ahead with those intakes. They should be a good seller, since they'd apply to the previous single-seat kit, too! I will see what influence I can have on his decision. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stefan buysse Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, Mstor said: I will see what influence I can have on his decision. Hi, For what it's worth… I would also be interested in the correction set. Cheers, Stefan. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Matt Foley Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 3 hours ago, Mstor said: I will see what influence I can have on his decision. Is the parts layout going to be conducive to a decent replacement? Or will it require us to perform some surgery? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Mr Matt Foley said: Is the parts layout going to be conducive to a decent replacement? Or will it require us to perform some surgery? Actually, I have no idea. Haven't ever even seen the parts of the A/C kit. Can someone else chime in here? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Brown Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 (edited) Shouldn't be too bad. One could make the replacement parts so you would cut the intake off of the upper and lower wing parts at a panel line forward of the wing leading edge and plug the new intake part in. It could be molded as just the outer part, so it mates with the intake duct, similar to Hasegawa's 1/48 Skyhawk intakes, or the full intake could be included like DMold does for F-4 kits. The splitter plate could be molded separately to make the molds simpler. Ben Edited May 21, 2018 by Ben Brown Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kurt H. Posted June 22, 2018 Author Share Posted June 22, 2018 Very encouraging to see the box art and markings options. Hopefully we see the kit soon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greg Long Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Finally nice to see something happening with this aircraft, over looked for to long Real soon we'll see it one hopes and several will find there way to my collection Greg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Petarvu Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Awesome boxart,best I seen in a while... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Brown Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Did they actually do the right thing and fix the intakes and splitter plates or is it just the angle of the photo? They don't look as screwed-up as the F-101A/C intakes. Or maybe the caffeine hasn't made it to my eyes, yet. Nice to see them including the G/H. Ben Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 2 hours ago, Ben Brown said: Did they actually do the right thing and fix the intakes and splitter plates or is it just the angle of the photo? They don't look as screwed-up as the F-101A/C intakes. Or maybe the caffeine hasn't made it to my eyes, yet. Nice to see them including the G/H. Ben Don't think so. I checked a few more photos on Facebook and the intakes definitely slant back like the actual 101B airframe. Also didn't fix the engine vent on the starboard side. Still looks like a nice kit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 On 5/19/2018 at 10:27 AM, Joel_W said: Don, Unfortunately, all the major kit manufactures are run by what we call "Suits" and or "Bean Counters". For the most part none are modelers, but financial businessmen who earn their living from the sales of these kits. The goal is produce the kit for the least amount of expenditure, hence, a larger bottom line. To them, the angle of a intake or misplaced panel line means nothing. Joel Obviously you've never built a kit from Tamiya, Wingnut Wings, Hasegawa, Great Wall, etc. With very few exceptions, these guys provide if not defect-free kits, at least kits that avoid major dimensional errors like we see on the Voodoo. Hell, there was some manufacturer (can't recall who) that when made aware of a problem with their kit, actually retooled the part and re-released it. And then we have the bottom feeders like KH and Kinetic who have made it clear that they really don't care about accuracy or feedback from modelers. Just please don't lump in "all the major manufactures" into that category. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gene K Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 4 hours ago, Ben Brown said: Nice to see them including the G/H. Indeed! I'll buy the kit for the box art, and follow/copy your build to make the needed corrections!! Gene K Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tony.t Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Sooper Dooper! To be bought in pairs or threes. Wonder what Caracal will offer? Like the polka-dotty Misawa jobs and the 66th TRW jets from the French era. Maybe a third, from Heyford, in camooflarge. Tony Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 1 hour ago, tony.t said: Wonder what Caracal will offer? Ask yourself 😉 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chriss7607 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 5 hours ago, 11bee said: Obviously you've never built a kit from Tamiya, Wingnut Wings, Hasegawa, Great Wall, etc. With very few exceptions, these guys provide if not defect-free kits, at least kits that avoid major dimensional errors like we see on the Voodoo. Hell, there was some manufacturer (can't recall who) that when made aware of a problem with their kit, actually retooled the part and re-released it. And then we have the bottom feeders like KH and Kinetic who have made it clear that they really don't care about accuracy or feedback from modelers. Just please don't lump in "all the major manufactures" into that category. Trumpeter and their 1/32 F4F Wildcat I believe is what you are thinking of. The fuselage was way off in several areas. It was re-tooled and reissued. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joel_W Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Chriss7607 said: Trumpeter and their 1/32 F4F Wildcat I believe is what you are thinking of. The fuselage was way off in several areas. It was re-tooled and reissued. I build the Trumpeter retool, an indeed they corrected the fuselage, but the wheel wells were still wrong. Took me several weeks to correct them the best I could. Still a really nice kit of an iconic aircraft. Joel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Chriss7607 said: Trumpeter and their 1/32 F4F Wildcat I believe is what you are thinking of. The fuselage was way off in several areas. It was re-tooled and reissued. No, it’s driving me nuts but I can’t recall the manufacturer. They were a smaller outfit, think the kit was maybe a 72nd Kfir?? Edited June 23, 2018 by 11bee Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chriss7607 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Hmmm... Didn't AMK do that? It wasn't a subject that I was particularly interested in but I thought they did that with something like the Kfir. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skyhawk174 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Yes AMK did this to their 1/48th Kfir. They changed the fuselage pieces to get that Coke bottle shape that was missing from the first release. I think the 1/72nd version was ok but since I don't build in that scale I do not know. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caudleryan Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 I know Great Wall Hobby did some fairly substantial retooling on the F-15 kit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 1 hour ago, skyhawk174 said: Yes AMK did this to their 1/48th Kfir. They changed the fuselage pieces to get that Coke bottle shape that was missing from the first release. I think the 1/72nd version was ok but since I don't build in that scale I do not know. We have a winner! That’s the one. Good example of how to operate. Unlike the crew at KH. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skyhawk174 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 24 minutes ago, 11bee said: We have a winner! That’s the one. Good example of how to operate. Unlike the crew at KH. Hmm they did get Floyd Werner to help with the UH-1D and the AH-6 so maybe things are looking up? If the parts are 90% right the first time then less to correct. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dehowie Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 13 hours ago, 11bee said: And then we have the bottom feeders like KH and Kinetic who have made it clear that they really don't care about accuracy or feedback from modelers. Just please don't lump in "all the major manufactures" into that category. Im not sure what planet you live on but Kinetic is a bottom feeder? i guess you havnt seen the Mirage Family, Harriers, Hornets etc. The reason AMK retooled the Kfir was nobody bought the thing when the far more accurate Kinetic kit is available. Dont mention either that the conversion set done by one of Monograms master modellers even missed the intakes on his RF-101 conversion. That was a conversion specifically for the Single seater 101. The references where widely available then as they are now but i dont hear to many people calling Koster enterprises...bottom feeders especially the guys who did beautiful RF-101 conversions in 48th with that set. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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