oppenheimerj Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 (edited) Hi Guys this question goes for the little bird experts, for my understandings all the AH-6 J and M's always had been in the black grayish color, but a friend of mine keeps telling me firmly that they always were helo brad green, never seen a picture of one in helo drab, i know the letters and number were helo drab color and now they are gray. Best regards Jorge Oppenheimer Ps: i am working on the new KH AH-6 M with some mods Edited July 13, 2018 by oppenheimerj Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sarathi S. Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Your friend is wrong. AH-6Js and Ms have always been painted black, save for one or two examples that were painted gray for test purposes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeavyArty Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 ^^Ditto^^. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Floyd S. Werner, Jr. Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Exactly. Black or a few test aircraft that were grey. Floyd Quote Link to post Share on other sites
salvador001 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 The correct shade is mix 50-50 aircraft interior black with helo drab. Rod. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeavyArty Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 12 hours ago, salvador001 said: The correct shade is mix 50-50 aircraft interior black with helo drab. I have heard that too, but every 160th MH-60 and AH/MH-6 I have seen in person is flat black with no green tint to it at all. I still say they are flat black. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oppenheimerj Posted June 19, 2018 Author Share Posted June 19, 2018 Thanks for your answers, on my model I will go for NATO black as the base color for faded black, and from there I will use different shades ok black jorge Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Floyd S. Werner, Jr. Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 That’s what I did and I love my results Floyd Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 I don't know... saw this "art" on Kitty Hawk's FB page. Maybe they know something we don't? Kidding, of course not. To paraphrase Henry Ford, you can paint your Littlebird in any color you want, as long as it's black. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oppenheimerj Posted June 19, 2018 Author Share Posted June 19, 2018 As you said any color as long it is black is fine, i am driving myself nuts with this little bird, love KH model, hate recessed rivets, so i am using Archers rivet to turn all the rivets into positive ones, looking good so far Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 35 minutes ago, oppenheimerj said: As you said any color as long it is black is fine, i am driving myself nuts with this little bird, love KH model, hate recessed rivets, so i am using Archers rivet to turn all the rivets into positive ones, looking good so far You got my attention here. I’ve held off building their helos because they look like toys covered with those hundreds of little divots. I’d love to see some pics of your build. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oppenheimerj Posted June 19, 2018 Author Share Posted June 19, 2018 By tomorrow you will see some pictures of the rivets so far, is a tedious long work those freeking rivets jorge Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Did you fill in all the recessed rivets, or just put the rivet decals over them? Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oppenheimerj Posted June 19, 2018 Author Share Posted June 19, 2018 The recessed rivet ar so shallow There is no need to fill them, by tomorrow i will show the progress of this little bird, pictures will be with out primmer so you can ser the rivets how they look Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Cool. Looking forward to seeing them. Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oppenheimerj Posted June 20, 2018 Author Share Posted June 20, 2018 This is what i got so far on the positive rivets replacing the recessed ones that comes molded in the plastic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 What size rivets are they and what brand? Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tank Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 21 minutes ago, hawkwrench said: What size rivets are they and what brand? Tim He said he is using Archer Fine Transfer surface details. http://www.archertransfers.com/SurfaceDetailsMain.html You can print off the catalog to see what size works for you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oppenheimerj Posted June 20, 2018 Author Share Posted June 20, 2018 I am using archer transfer AR88014, these are the smallest ones, when it is painted they will look much to scale i used them on another helo and at the end the look great Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Are the micromark rivet sheets the same rivet size as the 88014 sheet from Archer? Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oppenheimerj Posted June 20, 2018 Author Share Posted June 20, 2018 Can’t tell, haven’t seen those rivets jorge Quote Link to post Share on other sites
salvador001 Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) Damn Jorge, that is looking awesome. Cant wait to see it finished. Those rivets are fantastic, will try to get those if they release the 1/35 Huey, i bet the huey will come with negative riveting. I see you cut the skids to make it shorter, that is a nice touch, the kit ones comes a little bit higher. Keep that great work. Rod. Edited June 21, 2018 by salvador001 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oppenheimerj Posted June 21, 2018 Author Share Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) Thanks Rod, i am waiting for the black hawk to come out, that will be a thesis on riveting the tailboom itself ad i did on my previous one. I did not cut the skid on this one , you have to think on one little detail, they come to be placed in the flight mode, what i mean is that in flight they look higher and larger but when the helo is on the ground they open up to absorb the weight of the helo , so i opened the skids as they are on the ground and on weight, that is why you see them shorter, you can look in the engine bay on each side they are shock abosrbers that allow the skid to open up when on the ground, when they loose pressure in time the skid will open up more up to the limit that the structure permits. i hope a made my self clear, english is not my main language and not my strong jorge Edited June 21, 2018 by oppenheimerj Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Jorge, Great work with those rivets. Really makes a big difference compared to the original. Going to look great under a coat of paint! Please keep us updated on your progress. I am curious - how easily do those Archer rivets apply? Any tricks or do you just place them on the bare plastic? How durable are they? Rod, have no doubt that all future helos from KH will have divots, it's too bad but they don't seem to care. I'd say it's a moot point with regard to the 35th Huey since it appears that won't be happening anytime soon, if ever. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oppenheimerj Posted June 22, 2018 Author Share Posted June 22, 2018 (edited) Thanks, for sure I will keep you posted on the progress of this helo, i think by tomorrow i will be done with the rivets and will prime all the model, they recommend to prime the model then apply the rivets, i do the opposite, y sand the model with 1000 grit paper then apply the rivets, a must on this is to use liquid like solvaset sobthe rivets will adhere well on the plastic, then prime over the rivets so the transfer film will disappear. they are not easy to apply they are so delicate Jorge Edited June 22, 2018 by oppenheimerj Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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