john53 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 (edited) I just received a "new" sealed 1985 Monogram 1/72 F-105F. How accurate are the molds? It has the 4 small triangles around the nose cone base, strike camera under the nose and what looks like a 6 sided raised plate on the wing top above the landing gear area. It also has raised plates on the wing bottom one under a fuel tank pylon.The tail has 3 "devices" molded on it 2 are near the trailing edge. What goes and what stays for an early to mid 60's bomber version in NMF scheme? Thanks---John Edited August 2, 2018 by john53 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Finn Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 I think pretty much what you mentioned goes if you are doing an early F, there are some pics here of the 2 seater: https://www.flickr.com/photos/mdebock/albums/72157633718479218 Jari Quote Link to post Share on other sites
john53 Posted August 3, 2018 Author Share Posted August 3, 2018 (edited) Thanks, this pic, 1966 Thailand, is the era I am modelling, it shows no cooling scoops on the rear fuselage and I think the gas gun vents are filled? Anything else? Is the wing tip antenna there and the strike camera under the nose, my eyes aren't what they use to be.---John Edited August 3, 2018 by john53 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 john53, you know that is a painting, not a photograph, right? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
john53 Posted August 3, 2018 Author Share Posted August 3, 2018 (edited) Is it an accurate painting? Looks dam good to me. Also it's accurate with pics I have seen in Germany and France around 1965-66.---John Edited August 3, 2018 by john53 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
john53 Posted August 3, 2018 Author Share Posted August 3, 2018 (edited) I just went to Pinterest and it said it's a photo. So there was no F-105F Alpha Strike? If you can't trust the internet who can you trust? When you think about it I don't think there was ever a wing or squadron of F-105Fs, they complimented the F-105D squadrons.---John U.K. 1966 Edited August 3, 2018 by john53 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Finn Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 There was Ryan's Raider which flew the F: you can see the strike camera as well as one of the antenna just aft of the radome. Jari Quote Link to post Share on other sites
john53 Posted August 3, 2018 Author Share Posted August 3, 2018 Yup and if you look aft you'll see the fuselage cooling scoop. All these were on later SEA camo planes. The first Thuds that came in in '65 and '66 were NMF early planes with none of these options, that's what I am looking for, in fact Monogram LEFT OFF the cooling scoop as it is suppose to be an "early bird", they did however leave the holes for the scoops. Nothing like confusing the all ready confused! Now I need to find a good PHOTO of an actual early F-105F in NMF with a bomb load and the squadron markings. So far all I have found is SEA camo ones and that painting that's a fake.---John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 2 hours ago, john53 said: I just went to Pinterest and it said it's a photo. So there was no F-105F Alpha Strike? It looks to me like a painting, plus it appears to be signed by the artist in the lower left corner. I wasn’t trying to dismiss any accuracy points, just noting it was not a photograph. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Finn Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 Here is a listing of Thuds losses, including 36 F's: http://www.burrusspta.org/395_Combat.pdf the first one was lost in 1965 so there is good chance it was NMF. Jari Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kurt H. Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 If you use facebook, look for the group "Modeling the F-105 Thunderchief" They may be able to help you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
john53 Posted August 3, 2018 Author Share Posted August 3, 2018 (edited) Thanks for the help, not really a big Fakebook fan. Jari that link doesn't work.---John Edited August 3, 2018 by john53 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Brown Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 (edited) Hi John, In addition to removing the list of items in your first post, you'll also need to remove the hydraulic line fairing that runs along the fuselage spine between the canopy fairing and the leading edge of the tail. I had originally thought the cooling scoops were added when the jets were camouflaged, but I've found a couple of photos of silver jets with the scoops. You'd need a photo of your subject to be 100% sure. F-105s sent to SEA would have been painted silver. The only NMF Thuds after ~1962 were the Thunderbirds jets. Edit: Just saw your post over on Hyperscale. Keep the barrier hook. It was added ~1962. Cheers! Ben Edited August 3, 2018 by Ben Brown Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darren Roberts Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 8 hours ago, Finn said: There was Ryan's Raider which flew the F: you can see the strike camera as well as one of the antenna just aft of the radome. Jari Is that taken in Vietnam? It's got wrap-around camo! I didn't know they tried that during the war. That's kind of cool. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
john53 Posted August 3, 2018 Author Share Posted August 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Ben Brown said: Hi John, In addition to removing the list of items in your first post, you'll also need to remove the hydraulic line fairing that runs along the fuselage spine between the canopy fairing and the leading edge of the tail. I had originally thought the cooling scoops were added when the jets were camouflaged, but I've found a couple of photos of silver jets with the scoops. You'd need a photo of your subject to be 100% sure. F-105s sent to SEA would have been painted silver. The only NMF Thuds after ~1962 were the Thunderbirds jets. Edit: Just saw your post over on Hyperscale. Keep the barrier hook. It was added ~1962. Cheers! Ben Thanks Ben, it's the same deal as the F-100, silver paint not NMF. Also I guess the wheel wells and inside of gear doors might have been silver lacquer color or possibly chromate green. Leaning more towards silver lacquer. I'm still searching in vain for a picture.---John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Boyer Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 The "photo" or "painting" is actually a photo of a modified F-105F/G kit, digitally reproduced and pasted and retouched (to change serial numbers). There were very few F-105D or F models seen in "natural metal" as the "Project Lookalike" aluminum-paint coating was applied to most of the jets. Conversely, most of the B models were in natural metal until remaining examples were camouflaged for ANG use. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hooter Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 13 hours ago, john53 said: I just went to Pinterest and it said it's a photo. So there was no F-105F Alpha Strike? If you can't trust the internet who can you trust? When you think about it I don't think there was ever a wing or squadron of F-105Fs, they complimented the F-105D squadrons.---John U.K. 1966 This photo was taken at Wethersfield's open day on June 11th. 1966. this airplane was assigned to the 49th. TFW based at Spangdahlem in Germany. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
john53 Posted August 3, 2018 Author Share Posted August 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Paul Boyer said: The "photo" or "painting" is actually a photo of a modified F-105F/G kit, digitally reproduced and pasted and retouched (to change serial numbers). There were very few F-105D or F models seen in "natural metal" as the "Project Lookalike" aluminum-paint coating was applied to most of the jets. Conversely, most of the B models were in natural metal until remaining examples were camouflaged for ANG use. So it's actually an altered photo? Hmmmmmm. As for the silver paint I to this day make that mistake with Huns, probably a lot do, the silver "paint" sure has me fooled, I'll probably keep calling it NMF and will be corrected for life! Just doesn't sound right calling it a silver painted plane, but it is.---John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
john53 Posted August 3, 2018 Author Share Posted August 3, 2018 How about NML? Natural Metal Look. Works for me.---John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LZ82 Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 20 hours ago, Finn said: There was Ryan's Raider which flew the F: you can see the strike camera as well as one of the antenna just aft of the radome. Jari Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LZ82 Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 This picture represents the EF-105F, it was followed by the F-105G. The Revell-Monogram kit you have is actually an "EF", if you want an "F" you will have to make sure your markings match and correct because the early "F" models were natural mental, no after burner cooling scoops, no triangular antenna behind the radome, no gun camera, or gun gas vents...but then came "Project Lookalike" where the natural metal jet's were painted the with a silver lacquer paint...check your referances though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
john53 Posted August 4, 2018 Author Share Posted August 4, 2018 (edited) That was a temporary designation, they were Gs. I believe the Air Force never officially acknowledged such a thing as an EF. But I was also informed that some early Fs had wild weasle equipment. Talk about government bureaucracy confusion. Well the final word I am hearing is they were Fs with some weasle equipment. Hope this confuses you as much as me.--John Edited August 4, 2018 by john53 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Finn Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 (edited) Here is the story of the first F-105F combat loss in Vietnam: http://www.eaa326.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Wes-Schierman-A-Bad-Day-at-Son-La.pdf it includes the weapon load of the mission. Jari Edited August 5, 2018 by Finn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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