11bee Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 (edited) I treated myself to Tamiya's 32nd scale F4U-1D. Will be building a late war, carrier based Corsair. Just wondering if anyone has a lead on some decent color pics of CV based Corsairs? Trying to start planning the weathering of my model. At first I thought these aircraft were relatively pristine gloss sea blue but the more I look, the more I do see some decent chipping, etc. Anything would be helpful, especially if they show what the exhaust stains would look like on the underside. Spent some quality time with Google, most of the pics are either color profiles or warbirds. Regards, John Edited August 9, 2018 by 11bee Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Not sure if this will help, different variant but the weathering would be similar: FG-1D: Those upper wings sure look scuffed and chipped as does portions of the cowl by the cowl flaps. Tell tale white/black/brownish exhaust streaks too. Not much but its something. Regards. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted August 9, 2018 Author Share Posted August 9, 2018 Thanks for the pic Don, very helpful indeed. One note, I think that’s a later F4U-4 model, note the side exhaust and 4 blade prop. Pretty rare pic, don’t see many of them in WW2 insignia. Most have the red stripe added. Thanks again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Troy Smith Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 (edited) On 8/9/2018 at 3:58 PM, 11bee said: Thanks for the pic Don, very helpful indeed. One note, I think that’s a later F4U-4 model, note the side exhaust and 4 blade prop. Pretty rare pic, don’t see many of them in WW2 insignia. Most have the red stripe added. Thanks again. the above shot is from 1946 in the Mediterranean, and the it's very worn airframe. While photos of WW2 era F4U-4's are not common, there were a lot more used than you might think. https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234987880-f4u-4-corsair-use-in-ww2-are-photos-that-rare/ Pick and subject and work from that, some did get worn but there were many very new airframes, and resources to maintain them, some of the tattier looking one may well be land based. This is period color, it's in the second of Dana Bell's F4U-1 books, 2nd link http://www.hyperscale.com/2014/reviews/books/f4u1vol1bellbookreviewse_1.htm http://www.hyperscale.com/2015/reviews/books/f4u1vol2bellbookreviewse_1.htm great books, well worth investing in. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b4/c2/93/b4c29348caa76eb947c12e45066e69d2.jpg staining, scuffing, salt spray, wear to primer, but onboard the USN was hot on corrosion control, you don't see bare metal, and that got touched up with paint. One final point, ww2 GSB is ANA 623, and is a different color to the post was FS 595 match often quoted Quote Glossy Sea Blue faded terribly and was completely reformulated in 1947 - the GSB applied to a Panther might seem totally wrong on a wartime Avenger or Hellcat - and you won't normally know which chip a model paint manufacturer used when formulating his paints. (Some years ago, one model paint manufacturer was mercilessly attacked for his poor matching of GSB - but the paint was a near-exact match for the original 1943 paint chip; the reviewer was using a 1950s chip for comparison.) https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235002870-gloss-navy-blue-for-late-hellcat-question/ Quote Most are working from the FS595 chips, which never accurately matched all three versions of the wartime colors. The other problem is that the formula for ANA 623 Glossy Sea Blue changed in 1947/48. The original color faded to quickly and was replaced with more resilient pigments. When the US Navy gave modelers the old stocks of ANA paint chips in the 1960s/70s, some of us got the 1944 card-stock chip of ANA 623, while others got the 1948 metal replacement chips. I can well remember the arguments back then, arguments that arose because we were working from different standards! https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235014486-usn-hellcat-colours-an-unexpected-query/ HTH Edited August 10, 2018 by Troy Smith Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted August 11, 2018 Author Share Posted August 11, 2018 Thanks very much Troy, great info. Just spent an enjoyable hour checking out all those links. I've got Dana Bell's 2nd Corsair book, it's an invaluable reference. Still love to see some clear, inflight pics of GSB Corsairs lower fuselage to see how the engine exhaust stains looked. BTW, the info on the variations of GSB was fascinating. Would you by chance have a recommendation for GSB, circa 1945, out of the bottle? I'm usually partial to Model Master enamels. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Troy Smith Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 19 hours ago, 11bee said: Thanks very much Troy, great info. Just spent an enjoyable hour checking out all those links. I've got Dana Bell's 2nd Corsair book, it's an invaluable reference. Still love to see some clear, inflight pics of GSB Corsairs lower fuselage to see how the engine exhaust stains looked. the exhaust stains on any F4U-1 would be the same, and are easier to see on a light underside.. Also, they get cleaned off, and vary depending on how the plane is flown, a long patrol with no major use of power will give a pale grey-brown stain, from the lead in the fuel, combat would give near black. 19 hours ago, 11bee said: BTW, the info on the variations of GSB was fascinating. Would you by chance have a recommendation for GSB, circa 1945, out of the bottle? I'm usually partial to Model Master enamels. If you like enamel you should try to get some of the Sovereign Colourcoats, you will note the owner posting in the linked threads, he is commited to getting paint right, he's posted some fascinating information on British WW2 naval colours, and I'm not even interested in ships.... but I like through research, and AFAIK, they are the only company that deals with all the USN blues. this is a set, but it has the paint reference numbers https://www.sovereignhobbies.co.uk/collections/united-states-army-air-corps-united-states-air-force/products/us-navy-wwii-pacific-colourset?variant=25890456968 this is the US seller https://www.hbhobbies.com/ The paint is highly rated, I have not tried it as I don't like the fumes from oil based paint...though I am tempted to try it for the accuracy of colour... HTH T Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sonoran Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 On 8/9/2018 at 7:11 AM, Don said: Not sure if this will help, different variant but the weathering would be similar: FG-1D: Those upper wings sure look scuffed and chipped as does portions of the cowl by the cowl flaps. Tell tale white/black/brownish exhaust streaks too. Not much but its something. Regards. That photo is from 1946. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted August 30, 2018 Author Share Posted August 30, 2018 On 8/10/2018 at 2:46 PM, Troy Smith said: the above shot is from 1946 in the Mediterranean, and the it's very worn airframe. While photos of WW2 era F4U-4's are not common, there were a lot more used than you might think. https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234987880-f4u-4-corsair-use-in-ww2-are-photos-that-rare/ Pick and subject and work from that, some did get worn but there were many very new airframes, and resources to maintain them, some of the tattier looking one may well be land based. This is period color, it's in the second of Dana Bell's F4U-1 books, 2nd link http://www.hyperscale.com/2014/reviews/books/f4u1vol1bellbookreviewse_1.htm http://www.hyperscale.com/2015/reviews/books/f4u1vol2bellbookreviewse_1.htm great books, well worth investing in. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b4/c2/93/b4c29348caa76eb947c12e45066e69d2.jpg staining, scuffing, salt spray, wear to primer, but onboard the USN was hot on corrosion control, you don't see bare metal, and that got touched up with paint. One final point, ww2 GSB is ANA 623, and is a different color to the post was FS 595 match often quoted https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235002870-gloss-navy-blue-for-late-hellcat-question/ https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235014486-usn-hellcat-colours-an-unexpected-query/ HTH Troy, Thanks very much for taking the time to provide all this information. It's been incredibly useful. I just placed an order for the Colorcoats GSB. Thanks again, John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Loach Driver Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Hi John. I am kinda fond of the Corsiar myself. I had a 1/72 Italeri F4U-5 on the go, hoping to finish it in Honduran colours. I messed up the fuselage so I might have to acquire a second kit to continue the build. Please post up an "in-progress" thread when you get this build going. LD. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted September 5, 2018 Author Share Posted September 5, 2018 15 hours ago, Loach Driver said: Hi John. I am kinda fond of the Corsiar myself. I had a 1/72 Italeri F4U-5 on the go, hoping to finish it in Honduran colours. I messed up the fuselage so I might have to acquire a second kit to continue the build. Please post up an "in-progress" thread when you get this build going. LD. Thread is already up. See “Dark Blue Killer” in the WIP forum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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