Space Tiger Hobbes Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Are flat and gloss gull gray the same colors just different shine? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jester292 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Yes. I’m no expert and someone can certainly correct me, but the FS numbers that are gloss begin with 1. The FS numbers that begin with 3 are flat. If Gull Gray has an FS number, then pick the 1xxxx for gloss. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
airmechaja Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Yes, that is correct. And if it starts with a 2, it is semi-gloss. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Brown Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 You could get away with using them interchangeably, but according to forum member Rex, the gloss and flats are not the same color, even though they have the same last 3 numbers. There's at least one other thread here about the Gull Grays, but here's Rex's blog with more detail: LINK. I'm sure he'll be by shortly with more info. Ben Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Space Tiger Hobbes Posted September 5, 2018 Author Share Posted September 5, 2018 Thanks. Wow Rex's post almost calls for a video where he does sample card tricks. To bad the images have been deleted. Practically speaking, I'm not sure any manufacturer either makes that distinction or produces the variants Rex refers to. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Brown Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 I read in another post that I now can't find that Model Master, White Ensign, and Aeromaster Flat Gull Gray are all pretty good for the old version found on the old USN gray/white camo scheme. Over to you, Rex! 😁 Ben Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rex Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) As you can see, I used to use PhotoBucket, lol. That is the Hangar Deck site that got "Photo-Bucketed" first, Then right around the time that I took Dana's advice and decided to re-take all of the photos anyway, to get rid of an "off color" appearance in the background pictures of the photo cards, my Invision forum got bought out by Tapatalk. That resulted in a glitch that won't let me access the site, except as a "Read-only Guest." (yeah, that is right, the owner can't log into his own site, as member, mod, or admin) So, I am rebuilding it all as a new forum using another board host. All of my photos and talk about the two different colors before the two got combined only applies to Real Life aircraft. As modelers, we have to compromise all the time on colors anyway. So, for the NS Light Gull Gray 36440, G Light Gull Gray 16440, and the 1972 and up G Light Gray 16440, we might as well use our favorite color, and then change the sheen for the model we are building. In real life, they were different, with "Light Gull Gray" having at least 6 different designations and color variations over the years. (Mark I eyeball, Munsell numbers, and CIE-Lab values all changed for each color designation) This also happened to many other colors, including "X6081", in Munsell those three colors didn't even appear on the same pages in the Munsell book. "Black x7038" also had three different colors, on different pages. But, most modelers are using post 1984 versions of the FS booklets, fan decks, or cards,,,,,,,,so they don't even see that the colors were supposed to be different in the Light Gull Gray era of Navair. So, pick one you like,,,,,,almost no one will ever "catch you at it", because they have no way to tell, either. And I for one, don't go around saying "that is the wrong color" on built models. I just like the evolution of colors aspect of researching aircraft. Color matching for me is more that I don't like buying a color that is supposed to be "x6440" and having it be 36376 or 36424 or some other non-Light Gull Gray color of Gray. here is where the site will be, it is empty now, just started the process the other day http://hangar-deck-resource.boards.net/ Edited September 5, 2018 by Rex Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rex Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 oops, here is the short answer In real life, up until 1984, they were different. Including vintage paint chips and booklets. In models, paints, online color guide sites, Wiki, and forum discussions, they were "the same color, just change the sheen" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Space Tiger Hobbes Posted September 5, 2018 Author Share Posted September 5, 2018 That helps. Thanks. I had a vague perception that the old gull gray (model paints) were yellower than current. But I'm not gonna worry it. I have other modeling nits to OCD on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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