Rob_Haelterman Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 (edited) Hi guys, can anyone confirm that this is a metal wing Hurricane MkI ? http://www.vintagewings.ca/Portals/0/Vintage_Stories/News%20Stories%20G/Aviation%27s%20Cross%20Dressers/WTF-79.jpg (I tend to believe it is based on the position of the landing light.) TIA Rob Edited September 22, 2018 by Rob_Haelterman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rpeck Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 To me it looks like a Hurricane MKIIA. I don't remember seeing that prop on a MKI. The nose area looks longer like a MKII but it could be the spinner. Sorry not 100% sure with out the serial number. Rick Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob_Haelterman Posted September 23, 2018 Author Share Posted September 23, 2018 Hi Rick, I was afraid that that was another possibility. I always try to spot the difference by looking at the fillet where the leading edge of the wing meets the fuselage, but in this case, somebody is standing in front of it. But the nose does indeed seem a bit long for a MkI, now that you mention it. Wasn't the oil cooler not a bit deeper on the MkII as well, whcih this plane seems to have ? TIA Rob Quote Link to post Share on other sites
barkin mad Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 It could even be a IIb, might that be a machine gun port just behind the officer person behind the wing? This might also account for the deeper radiator as it may have been an armoured one. It is definitely a metal wing variant though. ------------------- Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob_Haelterman Posted September 23, 2018 Author Share Posted September 23, 2018 Interesting :-) But... was the Mk II ever fitted with an armored radiator? I thought it was only introduced on the Mk IV. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rpeck Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 26 minutes ago, Rob_Haelterman said: Interesting :-) But... was the Mk II ever fitted with an armored radiator? I thought it was only introduced on the Mk IV. You are correct. The MK IV I'm thinking was only in Burma Campaign. I'm going by memory on that. I don't see that it is a larger radiator. The armored radiator was wider not longer and in photo that area is very dark plus angle maybe makes it look bigger. Sorry I just don't see it as bigger. As for a MKIIB. I don't see the outer guns. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob_Haelterman Posted September 23, 2018 Author Share Posted September 23, 2018 (edited) I was not referring to the bigger, armored radiator, but to the (slight) difference in size between Mk I and Mk II accordig to some sources. (From https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/64364-hurricane-noses-and-the-hasegawa-172-kits/) Edited September 23, 2018 by Rob_Haelterman Forgot source of image Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rpeck Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 Ok I see what your talking about. I miss understood . Good drawings I save them, Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Not sure if this helps, but this is the same photo as above and the caption below it says its a Mk.II from probably early in the North African campaign: https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Hurricane/Hawker-Hurricane/pages/Luftwaffe-captured-Hawker-Hurricane-MkII-most-likely-North-Africa-01.html I just stumbled on it so again, not sure if it helps. Good luck! Regards, Don Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob_Haelterman Posted September 24, 2018 Author Share Posted September 24, 2018 Thanks, Don. This makes it all more confusing. Most of my references tell me that it was used by II/JG51 on Marquise airfield in France, 1940. To be honest, it doesn't look like North Africa to me, but it might be a MkII. Cheers Rob Quote Link to post Share on other sites
afspret Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Looks like a Mk IIA and it doesn't look like North Africa, besides, it's missing the Volkes air filter. The one thing I'm curious about though is the white square under the port wing, which has the German insignia applied over it. It could be the pic, but it also looks like there was some other insignia in the square before the German one was added. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cubs2jets Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 I guess you missed the swastika on the tail and the people in German uniforms around the plane... C2j Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 The white square under the wing was more then likely used to mask out the RAF Roundel in order to apply the Luftwaffe black cross to avoid friendly fire. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob_Haelterman Posted September 29, 2018 Author Share Posted September 29, 2018 8 hours ago, Cubs2jets said: I guess you missed the swastika on the tail and the people in German uniforms around the plane... C2j ROTFLMAO. So you are saying it cannot be a Hurricane because it has German insignia ? LOL !!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rpeck Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 Going by the landing gear doors the bottom of the left wing is black. Might be Lt. Grey or Lt. blue used to paint out the British roundel or to make the black crosses stand out. Dk green and Dk earth top colors is another clue it is a early MK IIA . My guess would be not in the desert since there is mud on the wheels and no volks filter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 The odd camouflage seen below the radio mast and main canopy is interesting as well (right in front of the tiny portion of the black cross visible in the picture on the fuselage). If the Hurricane originally carried RAF squadron letters plus an individual aircraft identification letter (which it probably did) odds are they would have been painted out by the Luftwaffe. The strange camouflage in the photo is pretty close to where those RAF identification letters would have been. The dark green right by the black cross reminds me of Luftwaffe black green? Regards location, its probably not early in the north African campaign but mud/dirt/dust on the tires and lower fuselage did occur in every theatre of WWII so its absence or presence isn't the most ideal clue to figuring out location. I just grabbed the first photo that popped up in my search and you can see similar weathering on this P-40's tires: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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