Ranger626 Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 I am planning a modelling project of a West German F-4F Phantom of the early 1980"s vintage and looking for an unusual load for it. Can anyone tell me if West German Phantoms were tasked with dual key nuclear armed "Victor Alert"? If so, which Jagdbombergeschwader might have been so tasked? Luftwaffe F-104's were so assigned, and there are some published accounts and photos, but I've never seen mention of German Phantoms in that role. I think a German F-4 with a white training shape or silver live weapon would make an unconventional model (shameless pun?). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotthldr Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 The only weapons for that timescale would be normal dumb bombs, AGM -65 ,AIM-9L and AIM-7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 IIRC no BVR for the early F-4F. (hence no AIM-7.... later, in the 90's, when upgraded to ICE, they got AIM-120 capability) maybe also ALQ-119 (or some other jamming pod) sorry if that's not very unusual load. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hajo L. Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 According to the german Wikipedia-site the early F-4Fs had no provisions for any nuclear load, nor Mavericks, Shrikes or Walleyes. From 1980-83 during "Peace Rhine" provisions were added to mount the Maverick and the then new AIM-9L. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_F-4#F-4F HAJO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotthldr Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 On 9/30/2018 at 10:49 AM, mingwin said: IIRC no BVR for the early F-4F. (hence no AIM-7.... later, in the 90's, when upgraded to ICE, they got AIM-120 capability) You're probably correct with the above statement. I think the a/c were wired for AIM-7 under the 'Peace Rhine' program, but Germany never purchased the AIM-7 so obviously never carried it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 1 hour ago, scotthldr said: You're probably correct with the above statement. I think the a/c were wired for AIM-7 under the 'Peace Rhine' program, but Germany never purchased the AIM-7 so obviously never carried it. i can't remember my source, but i remember having read black on white "No Beyond Visual Range" AA missiles for West Germany, it was against their Doctrine, and a wise choice in such cluttered Airspace... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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