Dave Roof Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 (edited) Posted with permission from Raymond Chung of Kinetic/Lucky Model. This is the decal sheet that will be included with kit 48033, the F/A-18D ATARS release. Combat vets from Operation Allied Force and Operation Inherent Resolve. **A change to the sheet was requested. Two options, VMFA(AW)-121 and VMFA(AW)-533, along with the stencils were dropped. Edited November 5, 2018 by Dave Roof Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Whiskey Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Any idea when the kit will be released Dave? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dustiepal Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Really nice Dave a definite must get! Dave Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 I think I need one of those Quote Link to post Share on other sites
motorhead Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Is there any information about correct cockpit? Now we have cockpit for B model only - so what we'll get in new box - F/A-18B with tail and decal for "D", or correct F/A-18D? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Roof Posted November 1, 2018 Author Share Posted November 1, 2018 45 minutes ago, motorhead said: Is there any information about correct cockpit? Now we have cockpit for B model only - so what we'll get in new box - F/A-18B with tail and decal for "D", or correct F/A-18D? I don't know. I'd have to ask Raymond. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Roof Posted November 1, 2018 Author Share Posted November 1, 2018 Here is how the kit would look with the decals applied. I cut the stripes using my vinyl cutter to make sure everything fit properly. My sincere thanks to the Marines of VMFA(AW)-224 that sent all of the photos necessary to make this possible! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IAGeezer Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 This is gonna be great! Were any of these birds used in the FAC(A) role, and if so, what kind of load out was used for that mission? Thanks Dave. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Niels Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 So stocked about this - can hardly wait for it to arrive! And finally some linebird love for VMFA(AW)-224🤩🍻 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raymond Chung Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 (edited) Yes it will be B cockpit if the IP is important to you buy color PE to get it 100% correct Edited November 2, 2018 by Raymond Chung Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Niels Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Thanks Raymond - any news on the release date? 🍻 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raymond Chung Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Dec 2018 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Niels Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Perfect, thanks! 🙂 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Roof Posted November 4, 2018 Author Share Posted November 4, 2018 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stefan buysse Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 That looks like another very cool kit. The airbrake art on WK-00 makes my day. Thanks, Dave and Raymond. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Niels Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Very nice! 😎🍻 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Roof Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 A change had to be made. Current version of the sheet is now posted. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Whiskey Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Awesome profile work Dave. Really looking forward to getting this. Now I can use one of my prized Hasegawa kits for something else. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
motorhead Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Someone, please, tell Raymond that "B" and "D" cockpits difference is not only in IPs but the whole coaming is different. And there is no PE or resin set to correct it. It is not tiny display or some knobs - this coaming is barely visible even under closed glass. http://www.arcair.com/tnt1/001-100/TnT007-BBset-Roof/00.shtm Kinetic Hornets already have too many flaws (for modern kit) and it is very sad that manufacturer not only do not fixing them but also making new. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raymond Chung Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 (edited) Hi I know a small little detail different from B and D IP coaming but we discuss that we leave it to aftermarket company. btw you said our hornet has too many flaws ? Name it ! I can ensure you miss that. all the correction was done on vertical tail lum and pump. Just want to put here for fairness. And remember this is the first time ATARS in plastic form. Edited November 7, 2018 by Raymond Chung Quote Link to post Share on other sites
picknpluck Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Raymond Chung said: Hi I know a small little detail different from B and D IP coaming but we discuss that we leave it to aftermarket company. btw you said our hornet has too many flaws ? Name it ! I can ensure you miss that. all the correction was done on vertical tail lum and pump. Just want to put here for fairness. And remember this is the first time ATARS in plastic form. Why not just put the correct part(s) in the kit? You guys invested so much time and money on other details...an instrument panel and coaming is so small and can easily be a separate sprue. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 (edited) Early D model coamings are the same as B model coamings. Starting w Block 12 the D rear coaming was indeed larger. The BuNos on the decal sheet are Block 12 and later so they should have the larger rear coaming and the new rear IP with 3 MPCDs in a row. Jake’s Modern Hornet Guide has extensive pics showing the differences. I agree with picknpluck, if you went to the effort to make the external ATARS specific parts then the cockpit should also have the correct parts. IMO it is a small inclusion that will save you (Kinetic) a lot of grief and criticism once the kit is released. . Edited November 7, 2018 by habu2 typos Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Whiskey Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 I appreciate that tidbit of information you shared about the Blocks and coaming/ip habu, stuff that I would never known about. Completely agree with you guys about updating it in the kit as well. In any direction it goes before it’s release I still want to purchase one after the fact. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raymond Chung Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 5 hours ago, picknpluck said: Why not just put the correct part(s) in the kit? You guys invested so much time and money on other details...an instrument panel and coaming is so small and can easily be a separate sprue. Hi guys you should consider the mold space left there. And sometimes like this, no enough space and if we invest a mold for just those parts. The sales would not justify for the investment. Anyway I clearly state what will include to avoid those complain why we does not included the parts after they buy it. So you clear up what you expected. It is the choice of consumer whether they want it or not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 There's the customer point-of-view and the producer point-of-view. It isn't possible to match strictly these point-of-views because what the producer can deliver depends on the ressources availability. Short-run kit producers and some mainstream kit producers (TrumpyBoss, etc) own the machines used for tooling (CNC, EDM for steel toolings) and injection machines. They have to amortize the (huge I believe) investments and keep the operators/engineers busy so they can fairly easily modify an existing tooling or make a new one. Perhaps the majority of mainstream plastic kit producers (that use steel toolings) do not own the machines used for tooling so they need to pay an external company to do the job. The amount of money is bigger if the quality, budget and time-of-delivery are determined in advance. Kinetic is one of these producers who outsources the tooling phase of projects so they cannot retool or add a sprue unless the expected incomes cover the new tooling cost... well unless they have suicidal tendancies and want to end up like Esci or Accurate Miniatures. Customer doesn't mind (it's not his problem...there are numerous producers so we just have to wait for someone to produce the kit), producer does. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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