lesthegringo Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 I thought about this a while back and feel that it is something that companies like HGW could pick up on. If you have used their carrier film free decals (rivets, stencils and the like) you can see how it would be possible for them to come up with a similar decal that (with a bit of fiddling, admittedly, especially in the smaller scales) you could apply to the inside of the cockpit transparency to replicate the MDC's used in a lot of the British jets. It could also be used for heating wires or other details that are often found on the transparencies but are nigh on impossible to replicate by the average modeller. Traditional decals with their carrier film simply doesn't look right, and are tough to apply anyway, as they are necessarily skinny little decals that you have to tease into position, but the beauty of the HGW stencil type decals is that the decal is held in shape by the backing that you subsequently remove when dry. I've tried to use the photo-etch ones that the likes of Eduard produce (actually successfully for a change on my Hasegawa Harrier) but it doesn't look right and I'm pretty certain that over time it will come way as it is just held in place by Future, the only way to do so without fogging the rest of the canopy. Maybe I'm expecting too much of these types of decals but it certainly feels like there should be some way to use them like this Cheers Les Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BillS Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 I’m in agreement. Lots of subjects out there are in need. One of the trickiest to replicate is Blue Angel and Thunderbird F-4 ADF antennas installed in the rear canopy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nikolay Polyakov Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 On 12/7/2018 at 10:43 AM, lesthegringo said: Traditional decals with their carrier film simply doesn't look right, and are tough to apply anyway, as they are necessarily skinny little decals that you have to tease into position, but the beauty of the HGW stencil type decals is that the decal is held in shape by the backing that you subsequently remove when dry. Yes, the traditional decaling looks not so good: On 12/7/2018 at 10:43 AM, lesthegringo said: Maybe I'm expecting too much of these types of decals but it certainly feels like there should be some way to use them like this It’s a good idea Les, maybe a some manufacturers will offer their solutions soon... On 12/8/2018 at 3:20 AM, BillS said: One of the trickiest to replicate is Blue Angel and Thunderbird F-4 ADF antennas installed in the rear canopy. Sure William, and some days ago I thought that I will done it for my future Voodoo builds with a careful masking and a gentle airbrushing. It’s a very interesting thread here, thanks guys! 🤝 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Roof Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 Are you aware that I've had MDC cords for the AV-8B available in gray self adhesive vinyl since 2005? Both 1/48 and 1/32 scale for the Hasegawa and Trumpeter kits. In the last few months, I've released canopy lightning strips for the Tamiya F-14 and the A-10's from Revell, HobbyBoss, Tamiya and Italeri kits. These last items are in my canopy mask sets for the same aircraft and they're done in silver self adhesive vinyl. Kits on the 'to do' list for this quarter are the Bae Hawk, T-45 and Tornado for all available kits. http://store.spruebrothers.com/product_p/ordv48003.htm http://store.spruebrothers.com/product_p/ordv32003.htm https://www.scalemates.com/kits/1097815-flying-leathernecks-flv48003-av-8b-canopy-detonation-cord https://www.flyingleathernecksdecals.com/c/148-vinyl-detail-sets http://store.spruebrothers.com/product_p/ordflm48014.htm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lesthegringo Posted January 1, 2019 Author Share Posted January 1, 2019 Nope, wasn't aware - being non US based means my searches don't necessarily find stuff in certain areas, especially if (and please don't think this is a criticism ) it generally pertains to UK aircraft and their peculiarities. It tends to be a small market! Thanks for making us aware! Les Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nikolay Polyakov Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 16 hours ago, Dave Roof said: A-10's from Revell, HobbyBoss, Tamiya and Italeri kits. These last items are in my canopy mask sets for the same aircraft and they're done in silver self adhesive vinyl. Looks great Dave! Any plans to do an antennas? 15 hours ago, lesthegringo said: It tends to be a small market! Unfortunately, an overseas shipping prices can be unacceptable. Cheers! 🙃 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Brown Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 On 12/7/2018 at 7:20 PM, BillS said: I’m in agreement. Lots of subjects out there are in need. One of the trickiest to replicate is Blue Angel and Thunderbird F-4 ADF antennas installed in the rear canopy. +1! If/when I get around to building a BA Phantom, I was going to try to draw up the antenna and print my own. The decal film is a problem, as Nikolay has shown, but it might be hidden a little better if the canopy is dipped in Future both before the decal is applied and again after it has dried. BTW, Bill, your paint FINALLY went out last Friday. Sorry for the delay. Ben Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nikolay Polyakov Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Ben Brown said: The decal film is a problem, as Nikolay has shown, but it might be hidden a little better if the canopy is dipped in Future both before the decal is applied and again after it has dried. This was my first experience, I thought about the clear coat after the decal was applied (actually, I forgot about it 😕)... Is the gloss varnish is OK or an original «Future» needed? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Matt Foley Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 On 1/1/2019 at 11:35 AM, Ben Brown said: but it might be hidden a little better if the canopy is dipped in Future both before the decal is applied and again after it has dried. This. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nikolay Polyakov Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Idea! It’s enough to have a recessed «panel lines» inside the canopy that needs only to be filled with a wash or with a slightly diluted paint. Cheers! 😎 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jay Chladek Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 One I would love to add to the Det cord wish list would be for the front canopy of a NASA T-38N. The rear canopy doesn't have it, but the front canopy does and I imagine it might be present on Mk 16 seat equipped USAF T-38Cs as well. I've thought about trying to replicate that on a 1/48 model I have and this thread is nice and timely. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Slartibartfast Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 On 1/1/2019 at 11:35 AM, Ben Brown said: ...dipped in Future both before the decal is applied and again after it has dried. And apply some BEFORE the decal has dried so it can wick under the edges. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bulldog 09 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Hey Dave, Any plans on releasing the AV-8B MDC cords in 1/72? I have several Harriers that would benefit from them. Thanks, Dave Fassett Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Roof Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 4 hours ago, Bulldog 09 said: Hey Dave, Any plans on releasing the AV-8B MDC cords in 1/72? I have several Harriers that would benefit from them. Thanks, Dave Fassett Nope.... tried it and they don't come out. They're just too small. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bulldog 09 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 21 hours ago, Dave Roof said: Nope.... tried it and they don't come out. They're just too small. Copy that. Thank you Sir. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chek Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 On 1/12/2019 at 6:52 PM, Bulldog 09 said: Hey Dave, Any plans on releasing the AV-8B MDC cords in 1/72? I have several Harriers that would benefit from them. Thanks, Dave Fassett The last time I did one in that scale was when making Arnie's AV-8B from the True Lies movie, which indicates how long ago it was. What I did was to as accurately as possible size and draw the pattern - or half the pattern, then fold and trace its mirror image - onto ordinary paper. Tape the paper to the outside of the canopy, then using a fine nibbed mapping pen with white ink, follow the pattern to draw on the inside of the canopy. The ink was acrylic, so could be wiped off if errors were made, but luckily none were. It' works well for 1/72 scale, but you'd really need three stripes (two outer white, silver or dark grey central core) in parallel with each other for anything larger, to indicate the heater element, which is way more difficult.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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