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My Sea Flankers: An Adventure into my Imagination and Insanity!

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Hi gang! It’s been a while. Been busy blogging and pretending to be a photographer. :)  But a few months ago, I heard my work bench calling me and curiously I answered it. For the longest time I have wanted to build a few Sea Flankers but with my ideas. The problem was I never had a good starting point for my builds. Years later, I do now. So, the two ideas I have that I will be building is first, a two seat Su-33 with the seating like a Su-30. And the other is a carrier based Su-34 much like the Su-33 UBK. For the two seat Su-33, I’m going to use Kinetic 1/48 Su-33 kit along with cockpit area of Academy’s 1/48 Su-27 UB kit. The hardest part will be mating the cockpit area of the UB to the Su-33. The cockpits (tubs, seats and display panels) of the 27 UB are not to my liking, so I will replace it with Wolfpack design Su-30 resin cockpit. I also plan on putting some GE F-110 engines on her like the F-14 B/D.

For the carrier based Su-34, I’ll be using Hobby Boss Su-34 kit. I know Kittyhawk just release their kits, but I’m not impressed with any of their kits. I hate the fact that they tend break up the fuselage into what I feel is too many pieces. Making more seams having to address. Butanywho… Where was I? :unsure: Oh yeah, my naval Su-34. I order to fold her wings, I got a second Kinetic Su-33. The wing folds on the kit are well thought out and looks great. And it would easier to graft them to the Su-34 then try and scratch build them. I love the side-by-side seating of the Su-34 but was never a fan of its nose. I want to reshape it to look more like the Su-33 UBK. More round like all its flanker sisters. And like the Su-33 UBK, my Sea Su-34 will have thrust-vectoring nozzles. I’m going to shorten the tail boom for carrier operations as well. 

I’ve been very inspired about these builds and been working on them since July. So much so, I was not going to make a work in progress thread and just post images of the finished model. It sometime turns into a chore doing a work in progress post while building. Build, photos, build, photos, edit, write, edit, post, reply, reply and then go back to building. Truth be told, I had a lot to figure out for both builds. Like how am I going to graft the Su-27 UB cockpit area to the Su-33 fuselage? And would the wings of the Su-33 even fit on the fuselage of the Su-34? Having to stop and go through the motions of a work in progress post would had really put a damper on my creativity and progress.

I did and have been taking photos of my progress and feel I’m at a point of most of the of “How in the F@#K am I going to do this" is over. After this weekend's progress, the models are really starting to come together and take shape. After some thought, I see no joy in waiting until the end of the builds and showing the finish models. And being that I have a few months of past progress, it will be easier for me to keep building with passion and still share it with you all. 

Here’s good teaser image. And Yes! You can fit an Academy Su-27 UB cockpit area onto a Kinetic Su-33 fuselage. In the lower, you can see I chopped the nose off the Su-34 and place a foam blank to be reshaped. The spare Su-33 in also in the image as well but more about her later!

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so, I want to share with you the madness of grafting Academy’s Su-27 UB cockpit area onto Kinetics Su-33 fuselage. I knew it could be done, it would be a matter of accurately cutting and sanding them to get a good joint. Once I got both kits, I marked out the area of the UB I want to cut out. With my Dremel, I started hacking up the UB. What I did was cut way more than what I needed, placed it over top of the Su-33 upper fuselage and started trimming back the UB cockpit area to panel line close to the Su-33.

 

My_SeaFlankers_1.jpg

 

When I got close to the Su-33 panel line, I  used a file to true up the cuts. I then simply placed the UB cockpit area on top of the Su-33 upper fuselage and with a fine tip felt pen, marked what needed to be cut away from the Su-33 fuselage. Again, with my Dremel, I cut away the single seat area of the Su-33. After some time with a file and some good old fashioned cursing, I got the UB cockpit area to fits. Now to glue it into place. I wanted something I could rescribe and strong. I thought about using my old trusty, super glue and baby powder. Yeah it is great to fill large gaps and I can rescribe it, I don’t think it will make a strong joint.

 

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 Not sure if you guys know how most liquid cements works. Ambroid Pro Weld, Plastruct Plastic Weld Cement, Plast-I-Weld Liquid Cement, different names but it’s the same stuff. They basically melt and bond plastic together. If you have ever put too much on a seam, you know how easily it melts plastic. I’m going to use that melting ability to make some liquid styrene glue/filler. I cut up a bunch of leftover/unused sprue and put it into a glass mixing bottle and then added my liquid cement. Stirring it as it melts the sprue into liquid styrene. I tacked the corner of the UB cockpit area to the Su-33 with some super glue to hold it into position. I then bushed on the liquid styrene into the seam. It does take some time for it to harden. About 24 to 48 hours to be sure. But once it hardens and totally cured, you have two parts that was bonded together with styrene. Styrene you can sand, scribe and paint just like the kit. 

 

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Once it was all cured, I started the sanding process. I did use some super glue and baby powder to fill hole as putty. I then airbrushed some Tamiya Flat black as guide coat for sanding and checking surface. During the sanding, I used some vinyl tape to protect surface detail I did not want to lose.

 

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How about some progress of my carrier based Su-34? I have always loved the side-by-side seating of the Su-34 but did not care for her nose. I’m going to give mine a nose job. A rounder look like more like the Su-33 UBK. I turned a new rounder nose for her, but the amount of reconstruction to get it to fit is just not worth it.

 

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 So, I started looking for other nose ideas and came across an image of a JASDF F-2. Got another piece of high-density foam and started shaping her new nose more like a F-2 radome. 

 

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Once I was happy with its shape, I wrapped the joint where it meets the fuselage with some vinyl tape to make it leak proof. Next, I stood her nose down so I could back fill the nose with resin making a plug to ensuring a perfect fit to the body.  The high-density foam that I made the nose from is very porous and needs to be sealed for me to mold it. So, I placed the nose on piece of aluminum foil formed into a tray and pour resin all over top of it then let gravity do the rest. 

 

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The cured resin forms a hard and sandable shell around the new nose.

 

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 I then molded and casted a master part in resin. I added some lightning strips made from thinly cut Dymo tape and remolded it. A few days later, I wasn’t happy with the size of the lightning strips. I used the molded in strip as guides, scribed in and sanded off the rise ones.

 

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Here's her new nose along side the resin coated foam blank.

 

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This update is about the Bad Girl of the bunch. For the wings of my carrier based Su-34, I needed a 2nd Su-33. I cut the wings from the upper and lower fuselage halves and threw her into what was becoming the “Parts” box. Upset that I used her for her body wings, I started searching for ideas to get her some new wings. I came across hasegawa anime fighter with some wing that would look sexy on her. After some time in photoshop scaling and printing, I came up with this. Not too sure about the placement of the horizontal stabilizer. 

 

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This will be my first-time scratch building wings. The issues I foresee is the structure, making sure the wings will be strong and not flimsy. As well as making sure from side to side, they look the same. Pretty girls require a ton of attention and this one is no different. Since she is special, she does not have a traditional air brake. Like most modern fighters, she deflects her flight controls to maximize drag. So, I glued and filled the  kits air brake and rescribed her panel lines.

 

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I printed out her new wings, spray mounted them to some illustration board and cut them out. She is going to the Pretty Girl of the bunch for sure  

 

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Let’s start with the carrier based Su-34.  Like her Su-33 sister, she has a shorten tail. I cut 42 mm out of her tail and glued it back together. 

 

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On to her intakes, the hobbyboss kit has these two panel on the inboard side of the intake that you are suppose of fill with two kit parts. Parts like this never fit properly. And since I’m going make some intake covers so you can not see the next step. I added some styrene backing on the inside of the intakes where the panels go. And filled them with my favorite putty, super glue and baby powder. Once cured, they can be sanded flush and smooth leaving no unsightly seams.

 

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On to my two seat Su-33. The cockpit that came with the Su-27 UB, which was grafted on to the Kinetics Su-33, was not as detail as I would like. So, in its place I got Wolfpack Designs Su-30 cockpit. To ensure the instrument panel of the front cockpit fit into the Su-33, I cut the top portion of the Su-33s instrument panel and glued it to the resin one of the Su-30. 

 

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I wanted to paint the cockpit of both my two seat Su-33 and her forward swept wing sister that Russian interior blue. At first, I painted them blue and tried to paint the buttons and nobs with a tooth pick and I was not happy with the results. So, I stripped the paint and started over. But how could paint it blue and still the buttons and nobs clearly painted? Here’s what I did! First, I painted the tubs flat black and sealed it with a heavy coat of Future and let it dry overnight. The next day, I then sprayed the interior blue. I then cut a piece of 1/8 dowel rod and super glued a piece a 400-grit sand paper to the circle end of it. (not wrapped around it) Once the blue was good and dry, I run the dowel rod over the buttons and nobs, lightly sanding off the blue and revealing the black underneath. Once I was happy, I gave it another coat of Future. Painted a few buttons red and a light grey to add some visual interest. And gave the tubs a wash in black watercolors. The instrument panels were paint blue first and the dials and screens painted after. 

 

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The wheels, the wheel, OMG the wheels! So, the Su-33 kit wheels looks amazing but when you glue them together, there is no way I know of to sand them and not lose any of the surface detail. And the Su-34 wheels are that fake rubber and don’t want to use them for its main wheels. I wanted a single piece wheel with some type of tread that I could use for all the main wheels for all my Girls. So, I added a styrene disk to the Su-33 wheels to make them wider. Sanded them smooth, cut some super thin strips of vinyl tape and added it for new tread detail. Added a casting block, mixed up and pour some RTV and molded the wheels. I then casted resin copies for each of my Sea Flankers. I did the same for the nose wheels too.

 

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Back to my two seat Su-33. With the resin tubs painted and finished, its time to put them into place. Fitting them into the Su-27 UB area was not a problem. It was the nose gear bay of the Su-33. The nose gear bay is deep, and the resin tubs are tall. It took a lot of careful grinding with the Dremel before it all came together. The top of the nose gear bay and the bottom of front cockpit tub are paper thin!

 

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Thanks for stopping by,

Steven :wave:

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This would be great in the up coming "Hey that aint real" (what-if) GB in a couple months, nice work!

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Wow........awesome work going on here. Although the What-if theme isn't necessarily my cup of tea, the skill required to pull-off these types of builds is nothing short of amazing....you obviously have those skills!

 

 

 

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Great stuff! Any chance the new nose for the side by side version would be available for sale?

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8 hours ago, Gary F said:

Great stuff! Any chance the new nose for the side by side version would be available for sale?

 

Yes, Check PM  :thumbsup:

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1 hour ago, Matt Walker said:

What exactly is the High Density Foam you're using? It looks like it is carve-able?

 

Nice work!

Thanks Matt  :thumbsup:

About high-density polyurethane foam,  It is very similar to this stuff https://www.generalplastics.com/products/fr-4500

It come in different densities, from 12 lb which you can put a dint into it with your finger. To 50 lb which is super hard, which feel like cast resin. You can mill it, drill it, turn it on a lathe...It's an amazing material.

 

Take care,

Steven  :wave:

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On 12/27/2018 at 10:19 PM, FAR148 said:

Once I was happy with its shape, I wrapped the joint where it meets the fuselage with some vinyl tape to make it leak proof. Next, I stood her nose down so I could back fill the nose with resin making a plug to ensuring a perfect fit to the body.  The high-density foam that I made the nose from is very porous and needs to be sealed for me to mold it. So, I placed the nose on piece of aluminum foil formed into a tray and pour resin all over top of it then let gravity do the rest. 

 

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Hi,

 

Firstly, awesome in-progress report.  I'd like to know a couple of things about the above:

 

1) When you poured in the resin, didn't the resin attach itself or get stuck to the plastic fuselage part? How were you able to detach the resin+foam nose away from the plastic fuselage once the resin had dried?

 

2) How were you able to get the poured resin to stick to the foam part but not the plastic fuselage part?

 

Thank you for any advice.

 

 

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Thanks JackMan :thumbsup:

5 hours ago, JackMan said:

1) When you poured in the resin, didn't the resin attach itself or get stuck to the plastic fuselage part? How were you able to detach the resin+foam nose away from the plastic fuselage once the resin had dried?

 

Yeah but the upper and lower fuselage halve was just tapes together with the blue vinyl tape you see in the image. Once the resin was cured, I unwrapped the vinyl tape and  simply  pulled the two halve apart.

 

5 hours ago, JackMan said:

2) How were you able to get the poured resin to stick to the foam part but not the plastic fuselage part?

 

That's a good question. I knew I needed the resin to bond or stick stronger to the foam than anywhere else. I drilled a few holes where I was going to pour the resin so that the resin becomes part of the part. Plus the foam is porous and would sock up some of the resin poured on top. 

 

Hope that helps. Been making a ton of process on my three girls. Still going to post at the same rate, showing my past progress as I continue to build. But here is a look into the future. 

 

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Thanks for stopping by,

Steven  :cheers:

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Your Su-33 UBK is coming along great. China is making a 2 seat J-15 as the J-15S so hoping Hobby Boss makes one in 1/48. I am not as brave as you when it comes to kit bashing at your level.

The forward swept wing Su-33 looks cool. That would be even cooler as a 2 seat version. The Hasegawa kit you saw was probably the Macross YF-19. I think you should keep the vertical stabs in the original position but angle them outwards more.

 

Did you ever finish the 1/48 F-CK-1C forward swept wing what if?

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Thanks Twong  :thumbsup:

Yeah,  as soon as I'm done. Hobbyboss will release a 1/48 of the J-15S. You watch! 

 

6 minutes ago, twong said:

The Hasegawa kit you saw was probably the Macross YF-19

 

Good guess but it was the Hasegawa Macross 29 VF-31 Siegfried Hayate Custom "Macross Delta”

 

7 minutes ago, twong said:

Did you ever finish the 1/48 F-CK-1C forward swept wing what if?

 

No, that is a future conversion set for  Far Resin. Currently,  finishing up everything so I can release my TSR.2 GR.4 conversion set early  in Jan of 2019. After that,  my EF-TSR.2 set then on to the forward swept F-CK-1C.

 

Cheers,

Steven  :cheers:

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I've always enjoyed your Whif builds. So much imagination, but also, "what should have been". 

Looking forward to these 3 beauties. 

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Your project is very interesting, I wanted to launch this challenge, the first production of the kinetic kit, mixes UB academy + kinetic, lack of time unfortunately ! the cut of aca associated with kinetic is good idea ? can the mix of the HB Su-30 MKK + kinetic can give the same result, that your project, knowing that the canopy of UB academy is under sized, I would like to know, how did you make the cut of the two kits to paste them? knowing that there is a difference of a few millimeters between the two !! send more photos of the rest of your work, bravo

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On 1/5/2019 at 7:40 PM, ching kuo said:

I would like to know, how did you make the cut of the two kits to paste them? knowing that there is a difference of a few millimeters between the two !! send more photos of the rest of your work, bravo

 

Ching Kuo,

With my Dremel, I started hacking up the UB. What I did was cut way more than what I needed, placed it over top of the Su-33 upper fuselage and started trimming back the UB cockpit area to panel line that was close to the Su-33 panel lines. When I got close to the Su-33 panel line, I used a file to true up the cuts on the UB cockpit area. Once all was true up,  I then simply placed the UB cockpit area on top of the Su-33 upper fuselage and with a fine tip felt pen, marked what needed to be cut away from the Su-33 fuselage. Again, with my Dremel, I cut away the single seat area of the Su-33. After some time with a file and some good old fashioned cursing, I got the UB cockpit area to fit.

 

Hope that helps,

Steven :cheers:

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Of my three Sea Flankers, my forward swept wing bad girl is the most complicated. There were a few questions I had to answer before I started. Like, having to figure out how to incorporate the design of the wing into the fuselage of the kit? How are they going to attach to the fuselage?  How to make the wing to fuselage joint strong as well as having proper aliment in all views? Also, I knew I wanted to show her with her flight controls in an unpowered position. That means making her wing with positional flight controls. Not too worried about scribing panel lines or locations of the weapon pylons. Can figure that out once her wings are made. 


I knew from the start that the best way for me to answer those questions, would be to work it out in Photoshop. To start, I needed to get image of the upper fuselage into photoshop and have it scaled 1 to 1 to the kit part.  So, I took a photo of the upper fuselage with the nose taped in place. In order to scale image of fuselage to the same size as the kit, I had to scale same part to its known dimension. I know from where I cut her wing off, the width of the upper fuselage was 106 mm from side to side. And the length of the wing where it cut was 144 mm. Back into photoshop, I can now scale those area to the correct dimensions.  I then did a quick print to confirm. 

 

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Now I can open the top view of her new wing in photoshop and scale it to fit the kit. After a few rounds of scale, print, rescale, I want happy with the look of this. I decided to move her horizontal stabilizer from the wing to the fuselage. 

 

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I can then mirror it to the other side and start to refine the locations of the flight controls. It is also time to start to think about how I’m going to attach her new set of wings to her fuselage. In the image below, the area highlighted in red will be the main strict of the wing. It will go through the fuselage, keying in between the main wheel bays and there are a cluster tabs located behind the main gear bays. 

 

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I measured and cut a test wing out of illustration board. With the test wing, it makes it easy to mark and make changes before committing to the final styrene part. Once I was happy with its shape, I can now use the test wing as a template to lay it out on a piece of styrene.

 

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To maximize strength and help align the wing horizontally, I cut and glued a piece of styrene in-between the two main wheel wells. It will also be another gluing surface. The main wing structure was cut out of 2 mm sheet styrene. After some sanding and filing to true up all the cuts, time to get her wings into place. 

 

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What’s great with having a one to one image of her wing is I can print it out again and use it to make all the flight control surfaces.  Which will come later.


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Thanks for stopping by,
Steven  :wave:

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On ‎12‎/‎27‎/‎2018 at 3:18 PM, FAR148 said:

so, I want to share with you the madness of grafting Academy’s Su-27 UB cockpit area onto Kinetics Su-33 fuselage. I knew it could be done, it would be a matter of accurately cutting and sanding them to get a good joint. Once I got both kits, I marked out the area of the UB I want to cut out. With my Dremel, I started hacking up the UB. What I did was cut way more than what I needed, placed it over top of the Su-33 upper fuselage and started trimming back the UB cockpit area to panel line close to the Su-33.

 

My_SeaFlankers_1.jpg

 

When I got close to the Su-33 panel line, I  used a file to true up the cuts. I then simply placed the UB cockpit area on top of the Su-33 upper fuselage and with a fine tip felt pen, marked what needed to be cut away from the Su-33 fuselage. Again, with my Dremel, I cut away the single seat area of the Su-33. After some time with a file and some good old fashioned cursing, I got the UB cockpit area to fits. Now to glue it into place. I wanted something I could rescribe and strong. I thought about using my old trusty, super glue and baby powder. Yeah it is great to fill large gaps and I can rescribe it, I don’t think it will make a strong joint.

 

My_SeaFlankers_2.jpg

 

 Not sure if you guys know how most liquid cements works. Ambroid Pro Weld, Plastruct Plastic Weld Cement, Plast-I-Weld Liquid Cement, different names but it’s the same stuff. They basically melt and bond plastic together. If you have ever put too much on a seam, you know how easily it melts plastic. I’m going to use that melting ability to make some liquid styrene glue/filler. I cut up a bunch of leftover/unused sprue and put it into a glass mixing bottle and then added my liquid cement. Stirring it as it melts the sprue into liquid styrene. I tacked the corner of the UB cockpit area to the Su-33 with some super glue to hold it into position. I then bushed on the liquid styrene into the seam. It does take some time for it to harden. About 24 to 48 hours to be sure. But once it hardens and totally cured, you have two parts that was bonded together with styrene. Styrene you can sand, scribe and paint just like the kit. 

 

My_SeaFlankers_4.jpg

 

My_SeaFlankers_5.jpg

 

My_SeaFlankers_6.jpg

 

Once it was all cured, I started the sanding process. I did use some super glue and baby powder to fill hole as putty. I then airbrushed some Tamiya Flat black as guide coat for sanding and checking surface. During the sanding, I used some vinyl tape to protect surface detail I did not want to lose.

 

My_SeaFlankers_7.jpg

 

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My_SeaFlankers_10.jpg

 

My_SeaFlankers_11.jpg

 

 

Great ... so this one will end of similar to the Chinese J-15S?

 

Can't wait for updates. :-)

 

 

 

 

 

 

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16 hours ago, Deino said:

so this one will end of similar to the Chinese J-15S?

 

Yes and no. I am using the J-15S as a source of inspiration only. I’m not building a J-15S in any sense of real world terms. 

 

 

update coming soon,

Steven

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On 12/27/2018 at 9:19 AM, FAR148 said:

How about some progress of my carrier based Su-34? I have always loved the side-by-side seating of the Su-34 but did not care for her nose. I’m going to give mine a nose job. A rounder look like more like the Su-33 UBK. I turned a new rounder nose for her, but the amount of reconstruction to get it to fit is just not worth it.

 

Su34_1.jpg

 

Su34_2.jpg

 

 So, I started looking for other nose ideas and came across an image of a JASDF F-2. Got another piece of high-density foam and started shaping her new nose more like a F-2 radome. 

 

Su34_3.jpg

 

Once I was happy with its shape, I wrapped the joint where it meets the fuselage with some vinyl tape to make it leak proof. Next, I stood her nose down so I could back fill the nose with resin making a plug to ensuring a perfect fit to the body.  The high-density foam that I made the nose from is very porous and needs to be sealed for me to mold it. So, I placed the nose on piece of aluminum foil formed into a tray and pour resin all over top of it then let gravity do the rest. 

 

Su34_4.jpg

 

Su34_5.jpg

 

The cured resin forms a hard and sandable shell around the new nose.

 

Su34_6.jpg

 

 I then molded and casted a master part in resin. I added some lightning strips made from thinly cut Dymo tape and remolded it. A few days later, I wasn’t happy with the size of the lightning strips. I used the molded in strip as guides, scribed in and sanded off the rise ones.

 

Su34_7.jpg

 

Here's her new nose along side the resin coated foam blank.

 

Su34_8.jpg

 

Loved this explanation and teaching moment! Question for you - When you pour the resin over the foam does it soak in enough that you don't end up with a nose cone that's larger in diameter than the fuselage? I couldn't tell if you made the foam nose just slightly smaller in OD or not? 

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3 hours ago, TheMongoose said:

Loved this explanation and teaching moment! Question for you - When you pour the resin over the foam does it soak in enough that you don't end up with a nose cone that's larger in diameter than the fuselage? I couldn't tell if you made the foam nose just slightly smaller in OD or not? 

 

Thanks for dropping by. Yes, when the resin was poured over the nose the resin did soak in to the foam and was a larger diameter than the fuselage. I then molded, cast a new part and that part became the "Master" part that was sanded and fitted to the fuselage.

Hope that helped,

Steven

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