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question about MH-53 Pave low

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Hello,

I would build the MH-53 Pave low in 1/48 scale, using Revell CH-53 G and Cobra Co. resin conversion sets.  I have a doubt about main rotor, is it the same of CH-53 E or it was different...?

Thank you for your help !

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Do you mean the blades? I think the Revell "GS"-version of the CH-53 already has the new blades included you´ll need for the MH-53.

 

 

HAJO

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Other than the "new" composite blades, the Pave Low maintained a six bladed main rotor system like all other twin engine 53s.

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3 hours ago, Luca said:

I have a doubt about main rotor, is it the same of CH-53 E or it was different...?

The rotor system of the CH/MH-53E uses seven blades, where the CH-53G and the MH-53J/M Pave Lows used a six blade system.

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thank for all answers !! Ok for blades , but basically the mainframe

rotor head is the same ....? Where I could find detalles photos or drawings of  rotor?

 

Edited by Luca

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4 hours ago, HeavyArty said:

The rotor system of the CH/MH-53E uses seven blades, where the CH-53G and the MH-53J/M Pave Lows used a six blade system.

 

I have the very old High Flight MH-53 detail set. I know it does not come with the extra blade. Did the original MH-53 have just six blades? I really don't have a lot of references on the CH-53.

 

Also, to get a seven blade system, I guess you could use Academy's kit of the Sea Stallion? But then you wold be robbing Peter to pay Paul.

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Be careful guys, and do NOT confuse the MH-53E (Sea Stallion) with the MH-53J (Pave Low Spec Ops). As I understand it, Luca wants to do the Pave Low, which means 6 blades, 2 engines.

 

 

HAJO

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When you take the Revell kit: the main rotor is too high, also the landing gear is too high. And better put the Revell wheels into the trash, they are totally wrong. Better take the wheel set from Res-kit for the E version. Even not totally correct but much closer to real ones than oob.

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18 minutes ago, Hajo L. said:

Be careful guys, and do NOT confuse the MH-53E (Sea Stallion) with the MH-53J (Pave Low Spec Ops). As I understand it, Luca wants to do the Pave Low, which means 6 blades, 2 engines.

 

 

HAJO

 

Well there you go. I had tried to Google some images and I think I found some with only 6 blades but was still confused. I want to do a Pave Low so I guess I am okay with the Revell kit.

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If you plan on building the early MH-53J you can use the original Revell kit. If your desire is to build a later MH-53J/M use the Revell CH-53GS/G or CH-53GA . These kits contain but early and late rotor blades. The Revell kit is requires some serious interior work with or without Cobra Company MH-53 Pave Low resin set.  I've been slowly working on this kit for a couple of years in spare time. There will be some exterior parts that need TLC , which include a more detailed external hoist and other lumps and bumps  underneath the aircraft. I also recommend Wolfpack CH-53E Super Stallion Update set.  I say this because the LIRCM sensors , the SATCOM antenna and the engine exhaust burners can be used on your Pave Low to bring it to MH-53J/M standards before they were retired in 2008. Good luck and look forward to seeing your build. 

 

Keep Modeling Fun. 

ccrqw

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Yes, CCRQW, I agree with you . I would build the early Mh-53J with 3 tones camouflage . I have also the Revell CH-53GS/G and GA for future builds  The ARC  walkaround on early MH-53 J helps for building. Interiors need a lot of work, and there are photos that help too. 

I have Reskit resin wheels and  I ordered pilot seats, front wheel bay. I have too Cobra Co. armament set cabin interiors and Wolfpack update set. Some part can be copied by Academy CH-53 kit

Another question is : Pave Low   air intakes are the same of CH-53E....? Looking at the pictures they seems different

Thanks !!

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On 1/2/2019 at 11:25 PM, tobiK said:

When you take the Revell kit: the main rotor is too high, also the landing gear is too high. And better put the Revell wheels into the trash, they are totally wrong. Better take the wheel set from Res-kit for the E version. Even not totally correct but much closer to real ones than oob.

Thanks Tobik , I think to use the SAC CH-53 metal landing gear...Is it correct (It's the copy of CH-53E ) ?

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4 minutes ago, Luca said:

Another question is : Pave Low   air intakes are the same of CH-53E....? Looking at the pictures they seems different

 

The MH-53J/M and the CH-53E are very different aircraft.  Most of their parts are not the same.

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Luca,

funny you should ask that question , I thought I could use at least two of the engine particle separators  from the Academy CH-53E cause they were more detailed on my Revell CH-53 to MH-53J/M build and found them to be a bit longer and bigger and not a good fit without some serious work. So in retrospect the answer is no they are not the same. The parts I am robbing from the Academy CH-53E are the fuel tanks, hoist, cabin seats, SATCOM antenna, and a few other small pieces I did not want to try to scratch build. 

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The thing about the CH-53E and the MH-53J/M being different is true.   To use Sikorsky’s designations:  the Three engine versions are the S-80, while the two engine versions are the S-65.    Nothing on the three engine -53s are compatible with the two engine versions.  

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I just noticed a conversion set for the revell H-53 kit to make it into a MH-53J.   Go to the Lone Star Models site.  They have most of what you will need.   They do not have the main rotor blades.   

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3 hours ago, hawg53 said:

I just noticed a conversion set for the revell H-53 kit to make it into a MH-53J.   Go to the Lone Star Models site.  They have most of what you will need.   They do not have the main rotor blades.   

 

If you mean the one at the below link, that is the old Cobra Company set.  Good to see it is back on the market.

 

https://www.lonestarmodels.com/store/p_109344/lsmcc-48024-mh-53j-pave-low

 

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If I might add the reminder, the conversions are for the J, not the final MH-53M variant. Just in case Luca was specifically wanting that. 

I did a build review of Cobra Co's set back in 2006 for Aerospace Modeler magazine, citing what all would be needed for an update. AM's former editor, Billy Crisler, wanted to send that info back to Chris for a future set, but it never came to be. 

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If you can find the Wolfpack Ch-53E update set it's got the SATCOM antennas and the late IR jammers for the sponsons. 

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