Darren Roberts Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 What are the differences in plastic between these two kits? I'm looking at getting a C, but found a G that was a bit cheaper. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Williams Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Different tails. The C has the short tail/ rudder and the G has the long tail/rudder. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darren Roberts Posted February 16, 2019 Author Share Posted February 16, 2019 Got it. I'll pick up the Monogram C. I've known some manufacturers to simply change markings and call it a different variant without changing the plastic inside. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Mignard Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 It also has the correct C model landing gear. Mig Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darren Roberts Posted February 17, 2019 Author Share Posted February 17, 2019 Fantastic. Thanks for the quick response. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
admiralcag Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 The ejection seat is different as well. I don't remember if the G has the older seat. Vern Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phantom Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Some Gs did, some have the Lockheed. CF-104s for example are pretty much Gs (modelling wise) but with Lockheed seats. Sure there must be some other differences on the full size plane. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Williams Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 The main differences are as follows: F-104C - Lockheed seat - flat MLG doors - narrow main gear tires with dished wheel hubs - short tail/rudder - wingtip tanks had symmetrical horizontal fins - underwing pylons were perpendicular to the underside of the wing, not to the ground (however, tanks hung under the wings had their tail fins parallel/perpendicular to the ground) F-104G - some had Lockheed seat, some had MB seat (or swapped to MB seat after being built with Lockheed seat) - flat or bulged MLG doors, depending on the wheels - narrow or wide MLG tires, however all had spoked wheel hub - long tail/rudder - asymmetric tip tank fins ( inboard fin was longer) - underwing pylons were perpendicular to the ground CF-104 and F-104J - as F-104G, although always had Lockheed seat, flat MLG doors, and narrow tires. HTH. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darren Roberts Posted February 17, 2019 Author Share Posted February 17, 2019 Great info! I'm not all that familiar with the details of the F-104, so let me ask this. If I'm building the Monogram F-104C, what areas would best be upgraded with either resin, PE, and/or scratchbuilding. This is going to be for an FSM article. I'm in a "competition" with another author. He's building the Hasegawa F-104C and we're going to compare results side by side. The premise is that the classic kits can still be built up to rival the more modern kits of the same subject. On the flip side, I get to build the HobbyBoss F8F Bearcat while he gets to bring the old Hawk up to modern standards. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 23 hours ago, Darren Roberts said: What are the differences in plastic between these two kits? I'm looking at getting a C, but found a G that was a bit cheaper. The plastic in the G kit has the extended tail rudder and different main wheels when compared to the C kit. The seats and other details look the same to me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darren Roberts Posted February 17, 2019 Author Share Posted February 17, 2019 49 minutes ago, habu2 said: The plastic in the G kit has the extended tail rudder and different main wheels when compared to the C kit. The seats and other details look the same to me. Thanks habu! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kurt H. Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 (edited) Sounds like a fun article. I would love to do something like that. The instrument panel on the monogram kit is the one glaring weak point I can think of. The rest of the cockpit is satisfactory but not as good as the later century series kits. The fit of the fuselage leaves a big step in the forward section. I have build threads for a Hasegawa G and a Monogram C on this forum. I guess if you can overcome the fuselage fit problem, the monogram F-104 certainly looks great when it is finished. Edited February 18, 2019 by Kurt H. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Charlie D. Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 What, no Monogram F-14 vs HaseTamiyaboss tomcat? 😋 Sounds like a great article, could see that being an ongoing feature, lots of potential subjects. Would love to see more matchups like that. Monogram vs Kittyhawk F-101B! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Brown Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Darren, that does sound like a fun project! Many, many moons ago, I built the Monogram F-104. I rescribed it and added a High Flight afterburner nozzle. With the canopy closed, the cockpit is passable. In some ways, the Monogram kit looks better, just because it doesn't have the Hasegawa kit's rivet acne all over it. 😁 Ben Quote Link to post Share on other sites
admiralcag Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 21 hours ago, phantom said: Some Gs did, some have the Lockheed. CF-104s for example are pretty much Gs (modelling wise) but with Lockheed seats. Sure there must be some other differences on the full size plane. I was talking about the Monogram kit. Built it ~20 years ago and my memory is not what it used to be. Vern Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SinisterVampire319 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 On 2/17/2019 at 1:43 PM, Darren Roberts said: what areas would best be upgraded with either resin, PE, and/or scratchbuilding. Here are some stuff to look over whether you need anything or not. There some nice seats, Wheels and Pitots and other bits though.https://www.scalemates.com/search.php?fkSECTION[]=Kits&q="Lockheed+F-104+Starfighter"+1%3A48 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darren Roberts Posted February 19, 2019 Author Share Posted February 19, 2019 11 hours ago, SinisterVampire319 said: Here are some stuff to look over whether you need anything or not. There some nice seats, Wheels and Pitots and other bits though.https://www.scalemates.com/search.php?fkSECTION[]=Kits&q="Lockheed+F-104+Starfighter"+1%3A48 I totally forgot about Scalemates. Thanks for the link! Can I do a NASA jet from the C? Those are some nice markings. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skyhawk174 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 On 2/16/2019 at 4:57 PM, Rob Mignard said: It also has the correct C model landing gear. Mig Wow did not know that Rob. I should check my kits. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chriss7607 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Are you referring to the one molded in yellow plastic? I didn't think Monogram made any changes between the kits- just molded it in yellow and included different decals. I could be wrong though... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Charlie D. Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 5 hours ago, Darren Roberts said: I totally forgot about Scalemates. Thanks for the link! Can I do a NASA jet from the C? Those are some nice markings. Weren't the NASA starfighters G models? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darren Roberts Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Charlie D. said: Weren't the NASA starfighters G models? I think I've seen some pictures of A's or C's. They have the narrower rudder. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Charlie D. Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Darren Roberts said: I think I've seen some pictures of A's or C's. They have the narrower rudder. I looked it up, had forgotten that. Yes early on they had A, B, and C later it was G. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 7 hours ago, Chriss7607 said: Are you referring to the one molded in yellow plastic? I didn't think Monogram made any changes between the kits- just molded it in yellow and included different decals. I could be wrong though... I have a C kit and the gawdawful-yellow G kit. There are definite differences as posted earlier. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SinisterVampire319 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Darren, Here's a list from a decal sheet I came across.F-104A, 52-961, NACA 1957F-104A, 60-749, NASA 1959F-104A, 60-734, NASA 1960 - ALSORF-104A, 60-749, NASA 1961 - ALSORJF-104A, 52-961, NASA 1961 - RCSF-104A, 60-763, USAF 1964 - chase for X-15F-104A, 52-961, NASA 1965F-104A, 52-961, 818 NASANF-104A, 60-756, USAF, 1963-71NF-104A, 60-760, USAF, 1963NF-104A, 60-762, G-762 USAF, 1963NF-104A, 60-762, NF-762 USAF, 1963F-104N, 011 NASA 1963F-104N, 012 NASA 1963F-104N, 013 NASA 1963F-104N, 812 NASA 1963F-104G, 811 NASA 1975F-104G, 826 NASA 1975F-104N, 811 NASA 1975F-104A, 818 NASA 1975F-104A, 820 NASA 1975F-104G, 820 NASA 1983 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SinisterVampire319 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 This was one of the best sheets ever. IMHO. The closest you can get is an -104A it would seem. If you can find it. https://www.scalemates.com/kits/victory-productions-vpd48005-usaf-and-nasa-starfighters--203178 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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