1/48 - Lockheed (T)F-104G/J/DJ/S-ASA-M Starfighter by Kinetic - released - F-104C in September 2021

[Thadeus]

Me: I don't want an 1/48 Starfighter.

Me: checking this thread.

Me: Which one to choose?

Weird, huh? Any chance for a SEA camo F-104C or an F-104B? The double seater with a single piece canopy?

[HomeBe]

It'll be a genuine F-104S!   

Just still to modify the box art and they've answered me this will be done.

Nice as serious work from the Kinetic team. Thank you guys.

Source: https://www.facebook.com/Kineticmodel/posts/1835466733287096

New dedicated sprue.

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New 1/48 scale F-104S Starfighter parts ready to test...

The air intakes are the key difference between S and other variants. Check the air intakes parts with Panel Liner Wash to a better view of the details.

 

 

V.P. 

Edited March 23, 2021 by HomeBe

[jonbryon]

Ignore - it turns out I'm blind and what I thought wasn't there, is 🙂

 

Jon

Edited March 23, 2021 by jonbryon

[Dave Williams]

It’s true, CE didn’t include the correct -S ventral fin either.  However, it’s very easy to sand the -G fin to the correct angle.

[ChesshireCat]

On 5/30/2019 at 7:16 AM, HomeBe said:

It's a One-O-Four ! - ref. K48083 - Lockheed F-104G Starfighter Luftwaffe & Marineflieger

Source: https://www.facebook.com/Kineticmodel/posts/1246408785526230

A JBG-34 fighter-bomber from the last period (lizzard scheme) with the original interceptor ventral double Sidewinder rails system... Looks like the undocumented Kitty Hawk usual box art...   

 

Pre-order at Lucky Model - https://www.luckymodel.com/scale.aspx?item_no=KI-K48083

 

 

Release expected in June 2019

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

V.P.

 

http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/pshop/MattMemory2.jpg

lets hope they get the urge to do an F104c!!! 

gary

[HomeBe]

The future Italian boxing will be a multivariant one!

- ref. K48093 - Lockheed/Fiat F-104G/S-ASA/M Starfighter

Source: https://www.luckymodel.com/scale.aspx?item_no=KI-K48093

Box art + schemes

 

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Model Features:
Martin Baker IQ-7A ejection seat

• Radar module
• Avionics Bay (behind the cockpit)
• Detail NLG wheel well. 
• Bulged tires
• Positional flaps and slats
• New engraving technology for crisp panel line and laser engraving for superdetail
• New wing tip launcher
• New instrument panel for F-104G/S-ASA and F-104G/S-ASA/M
• BL104 pylon and AIM-7/Aspide launcher and 2 x AIM-7 with stencil.
• 2 types of IP (interceptor, bomber)
• Updated new intake
• Dual fin and new lower center line fin

 

 

 

V.P. 

[sierrascale]

• Updated new intake
• Dual fin and new lower center line fin

Nice! Definitely want one.

[legend1]

wonder which grey they gave on the color chart for the ASA-M version

[Finn]

It looks like a Mk57 nuke in the upper right corner:

 

 

 

Jari

 

 

[Dave Williams]

The pylons at the bottom right look like the ones used for Kormoran missiles, but I didn’t think that Italy used them.

[ChesshireCat]

On 5/30/2019 at 9:23 AM, Solo said:

Hasegawa's kit is really nice. Nothing perfect, just regular kit, as usually Hasegawa does. But Kinetic? I believe they make better details, but what about fitting problems? For Hasegawa there is still amazing DACO upgrading set, nor for Kinetic.

by the time you buy all that DACO stuff to make the Hasegawa sorta right, you could literally buy two of these kits and spend half the time. I gonna wait for the F104c and get rid of two Hasegawa kits. 

gary

[Dave Williams]

On 5/17/2021 at 1:30 PM, legend1 said:

wonder which grey they gave on the color chart for the ASA-M version

I have the kit in hand.  They give Mig-211 FS36270.  To be fair, the real color is supposedly FS36280, which almost no one makes, and most people use 36270 anyway.

 

For weapons, the kit only includes AIM-9Bs and AIM-7s, but unfortunately not any AIM-9Ls.

[HomeBe]

New variant - ref. K48096 - Lockheed F-104C Starfighter

Source: https://www.facebook.com/Kineticmodel/posts/1889719344528501

Box art

 

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48096 - 1/48 F-104C USAF

Owing to the total rework on the G91, we will push up the F-104C USAF to replace the original release schedule. Estimate release in Sept 2021

 

V.P.

Edited June 1, 2021 by HomeBe

[Dave Williams]

I hope that someone finally gets the tip tanks on the F-104C right.  The early F-104s had symmetrical rear fins on the tip tanks, not the longer inboard fins as shown in that box art.

[legend1]

On 5/31/2021 at 3:03 PM, Dave Williams said:

I have the kit in hand.  They give Mig-211 FS36270.  To be fair, the real color is supposedly FS36280, which almost no one makes, and most people use 36270 anyway.

 

For weapons, the kit only includes AIM-9Bs and AIM-7s, but unfortunately not any AIM-9Ls.

MRP does the 36280 code-095

[HomeBe]

4 hours ago, legend1 said:

MRP does the 36280 code-095

https://mrpaint.sk/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=095&product_id=151

 

V.P.

[ChesshireCat]

On 5/30/2019 at 10:03 AM, Dutch said:

And I was satisfied with the old Monogram 1/48 F-104C/G.  😎

but also kinda hard to lay your hand on. I have two Hasegawa F104c kits and each time I look at them I just put them back up. Looks like something out of the seventies. That kit needs more filler than the fairway of the local golf course!

gary

[ChesshireCat]

On 5/31/2021 at 4:03 PM, Dave Williams said:

I have the kit in hand.  They give Mig-211 FS36270.  To be fair, the real color is supposedly FS36280, which almost no one makes, and most people use 36270 anyway.

 

For weapons, the kit only includes AIM-9Bs and AIM-7s, but unfortunately not any AIM-9Ls.

Dave;

I used to fly out of Da Nang on choppers. We always hooked up right in front of the F104's, and they were almost always clean. Perhaps a couple missiles. Probably the best job in country! They spent more time working on their sun tans and reading the Stars & Stripes in chase lounge chairs than anything else. In all the time I was around them, I saw two fly out! No wonder it took an act of congress to get that position. Probably did this a dozen times right in front of them. Yet on the other runways a Phantom was in the arming pit constantly (or A6). Amazed me at how fast the could get up and outta sight.

gary

[Dave Williams]

1 hour ago, ChesshireCat said:

Dave;

I used to fly out of Da Nang on choppers. We always hooked up right in front of the F104's, and they were almost always clean. Perhaps a couple missiles. Probably the best job in country! They spent more time working on their sun tans and reading the Stars & Stripes in chase lounge chairs than anything else. In all the time I was around them, I saw two fly out! No wonder it took an act of congress to get that position. Probably did this a dozen times right in front of them. Yet on the other runways a Phantom was in the arming pit constantly (or A6). Amazed me at how fast the could get up and outta sight.

gary

Gary, I’m assuming that you’re talking about the F-104C, which hasn’t been released.  My comment was for the F-104S boxing.

[ChesshireCat]

21 hours ago, Dave Williams said:

Gary, I’m assuming that you’re talking about the F-104C, which hasn’t been released.  My comment was for the F-104S boxing.

that's where I was headed. Looks like a great kit; by the way. With the new Tamiya Phantom and the F104c looming; I can see me living on popcorn till October! Now if we could just get ZM back into the business

gary

[Alternative 4]

My F-104A/C arrived today, what a step up from Kinetic's MIrage 2000N this kit is. Fantastic looking kit.

 

Also the way Raymond was treated in this thread is a bit embarrassing. I can't say enough good things about lucky model and his willingness to engage with us on this forum should be commended.

Edited December 9, 2021 by Alternative 4

[clumsy]

On 8/8/2019 at 10:32 PM, CF104 said:

 

Hi Luigi,

 

The liquid spring is a Lockheed oddity. It would normally be known as the oleo on other aircraft but due to the way it functions it's not really an oleo. It is located on the main landing gear beam and acts as the shock for the main gear. I've attached 2 photos showing it's location on both the Kinetic and Hasegawa kits.

 

 

 

Cheers,

 

John

 

 

Hello John,

 

May I request from you to provide information about the change in these liquid springs? I know that at some point they decided to use strengthened gear system resulting in having modification on the strut, wheels, doors etc.

Some German Gs had been produced with old type landing gear and carried narrow tyres with non-bulged doors like in CF-104 or J version. At some point they implemented the upgrade on manufacturing process but have no clue about when or how they had run the program for it. At what point had they started to use the strengthened gear at the factories during the assembly? 

Thanks in advance.

[Niels]

Never heard of that before, so this will be interesting to follow? 

[CF104]

On 1/28/2022 at 12:02 PM, clumsy said:

Hello John,

 

May I request from you to provide information about the change in these liquid springs? I know that at some point they decided to use strengthened gear system resulting in having modification on the strut, wheels, doors etc.

Some German Gs had been produced with old type landing gear and carried narrow tyres with non-bulged doors like in CF-104 or J version. At some point they implemented the upgrade on manufacturing process but have no clue about when or how they had run the program for it. At what point had they started to use the strengthened gear at the factories during the assembly? 

Thanks in advance.

 

Yes indeed the early F-104G aircraft off the production line had the "light" gear installed. The "light" gear consisted, as you explained, of the narrow wheels/tires and non-bulged doors along with the lighter liquid springs. What I can gather from the limited information available, is that the F-104G was intended to have the "light" gear installed from the beginning but as the gross weight requirement increased there was a need for a heavy weight gear. This caused a delay in obtaining the "heavy" gear components so the first 2 to 3 years of F-104G production had the "light" gear installed. These early jets were routed through modification programs and had the "heavy" gear installed by 1964/65. From photo evidence It looks like production aircraft started coming off the line with the heavy weight gear in the late 1963, early 1964 time frame. The heavy gear consisted of the heavy weight liquid spring, wide wheels/tires and bulged main gear doors. The main gear legs themselves went through some upgrades over the years and had several different part numbers.

 

Here's a collection of photos showing early production jets with light weight gear installed. Note the non-bulged gear doors, light weight liquid springs and narrow wheels/tires.

 

http://www.916-starfighter.de/Large/ja241.htm

 

http://www.916-starfighter.de/Large/da121.htm

 

http://www.916-starfighter.de/Large/dc119.htm

 

http://www.916-starfighter.de/Large/da244.htm

 

http://www.916-starfighter.de/Large/ke377.htm

 

http://www.916-starfighter.de/Large/da253B.htm

 

http://www.916-starfighter.de/Large/da111.htm

 

Cheers,

 

John

 

 

[clumsy]

On 1/31/2022 at 7:44 AM, CF104 said:

 

Yes indeed the early F-104G aircraft off the production line had the "light" gear installed. The "light" gear consisted, as you explained, of the narrow wheels/tires and non-bulged doors along with the lighter liquid springs. What I can gather from the limited information available, is that the F-104G was intended to have the "light" gear installed from the beginning but as the gross weight requirement increased there was a need for a heavy weight gear. This caused a delay in obtaining the "heavy" gear components so the first 2 to 3 years of F-104G production had the "light" gear installed. These early jets were routed through modification programs and had the "heavy" gear installed by 1964/65. From photo evidence It looks like production aircraft started coming off the line with the heavy weight gear in the late 1963, early 1964 time frame. The heavy gear consisted of the heavy weight liquid spring, wide wheels/tires and bulged main gear doors. The main gear legs themselves went through some upgrades over the years and had several different part numbers.

 

Here's a collection of photos showing early production jets with light weight gear installed. Note the non-bulged gear doors, light weight liquid springs and narrow wheels/tires.

 

http://www.916-starfighter.de/Large/ja241.htm

 

http://www.916-starfighter.de/Large/da121.htm

 

http://www.916-starfighter.de/Large/dc119.htm

 

http://www.916-starfighter.de/Large/da244.htm

 

http://www.916-starfighter.de/Large/ke377.htm

 

http://www.916-starfighter.de/Large/da253B.htm

 

http://www.916-starfighter.de/Large/da111.htm

 

Cheers,

 

John

 

 

 

Hello John,

Perfect information again. Sorry that I made you share the same links again from 916.

 

Please allow me to share some observations with you too. At first instance it might complicate the situation but might also help us to deepen the understanding.

 

The aircrafts for both the Turkish and Norwegian Air Forces got delivered almost at the same period; same year of 1963. As far as I know they had been produced by Lockheed.

Checking the photographs taken during the delivery it appears (if I am not wrong) that they have strengthened liquid springs. Unfortunately the MLG forward doors or the wheel rims can not be seen as clearly as that we can see the liquid springs.

So as you had mentioned before they might still have the original narrow wheels and non-bulged doors from the production line even though they carried heavy liquid springs.

Clear photographs will verify the situation.

Therefore, concerning the only available clear visual evidence we can say that even at 1963 there might have been modification implemented for some countries on the strut and also the wheels and doors.

 

Where as the condition for the Turkish and Norwegian are like that there are photographs of the first Italian and Dutch F-104s clearly with narrow tyres and un-bulged doors taken at 1963:

 

http://www.916-starfighter.de/Large/Contrails/contAMI9998Bo.htm

http://www.916-starfighter.de/Large/Stars/wA4-9A.htm

https://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/foto-s/detail/ffbfa85f-f644-19ca-fbb2-8a2a40e08d82/media/f2d48c58-749d-4ea0-9e26-24ae8b0b2ff0?mode=detail&view=horizontal&q=f-104g&rows=1&page=32

https://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/foto-s/detail/9bdeeb3f-964f-8c7d-ce45-0c0ba1d74b74/media/36063dfe-514d-9625-4000-91fc95f5ae29?mode=detail&view=horizontal&q=f-104g&rows=1&page=19

https://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/foto-s/detail/0d71f491-f736-cb08-54b3-3440b01a720f/media/ebbdee11-9bf2-1391-ae2f-f786902a4a01?mode=detail&view=horizontal&q=f-104g&rows=1&page=20

 

But these aircrafts were built by European manufacturers.

 

Unfortunately I could not achieve to see delivery period photographs of Belgian or Danish Zippers.

 

I will be looking to clear the situation for the Norwegian and Turkish Zippers.

 

Thank you very much again for your cooperation,

Arkut Yuksel