airmechaja Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Has anyone heard any recent info about the zoukei mura f-4e? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vaildog Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Considering the JASDF uses the E variant, I would have thought Z-M would have been quicker to release it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sleepy Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 They said in Phoenix they were working on it. Nothing else since as far as I'm aware. I hope they've used Jumpei Temma's drawings. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JeffreyK Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Do you guys realise that it takes years to develop and produce a model kit? The had a preliminary external shell CAD ready last year and produced a 3D printed mock-up from it to show the shapes at the US and UK IPMS nats. Even if the CAD (i.e. full external and internal detail, material thicknesses, mounting/connecting aids etc. etc.) had been ready at that point (and I really don't think it was), it would take up to a year to progress tooling to a finished kit. Yes, they can re-use a number of components from their short nose Phantoms, but there's still a ton of work involved. Today's world seems to suggest that everything can be done in a few seconds with some clicks and swipes on a screen. If anyone, I would have thought modellers would understand this...? Jeffrey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vaildog Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 I’m sorry I think you meant to post this in the AMK Tomcat thread Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jonathan_Lotton Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 2 hours ago, JeffreyK said: Do you guys realise that it takes years to develop and produce a model kit? The had a preliminary external shell CAD ready last year and produced a 3D printed mock-up from it to show the shapes at the US and UK IPMS nats. Even if the CAD (i.e. full external and internal detail, material thicknesses, mounting/connecting aids etc. etc.) had been ready at that point (and I really don't think it was), it would take up to a year to progress tooling to a finished kit. Yes, they can re-use a number of components from their short nose Phantoms, but there's still a ton of work involved. Today's world seems to suggest that everything can be done in a few seconds with some clicks and swipes on a screen. If anyone, I would have thought modellers would understand this...? Jeffrey It was just a question about an update. No need to get sanctimonious about it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
airmechaja Posted June 5, 2019 Author Share Posted June 5, 2019 9 hours ago, Jonathan_Lotton said: It was just a question about an update. No need to get sanctimonious about it +1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phantomdriver Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 12 hours ago, JeffreyK said: Do you guys realise that it takes years to develop and produce a model kit? The had a preliminary external shell CAD ready last year and produced a 3D printed mock-up from it to show the shapes at the US and UK IPMS nats. Even if the CAD (i.e. full external and internal detail, material thicknesses, mounting/connecting aids etc. etc.) had been ready at that point (and I really don't think it was), it would take up to a year to progress tooling to a finished kit. Yes, they can re-use a number of components from their short nose Phantoms, but there's still a ton of work involved. Today's world seems to suggest that everything can be done in a few seconds with some clicks and swipes on a screen. If anyone, I would have thought modellers would understand this...? Jeffrey Jeez, wind it in..... the guy was only curious....chill out... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sleepy Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 18 hours ago, Jonathan_Lotton said: It was just a question about an update. No need to get sanctimonious about it Of *course* there is. It’s ARC after all! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JeffreyK Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Apologies if it came across as too harsh, but my impression of the first replies to the initial post was another "they really had enough time, why is it not here already" theme. ZM usually time announcements and news with the US or UK nats (rather than Japanese shows) so I guess we'll hear news in Chattanooga. Perhaps test shots for dispaly? Perhaps a release at the UK nats in November? I have no idea, really just a guess. Cheers, J Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Viper_944FW Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 (edited) If you go to the middle of the linked webpage below from the ZM website, you'll see their F-4 development roadmap, and the F-4E is clearly there: http://www.zoukeimura.co.jp/en/sentiment/oyajiblog_099.html Better yet here is the link to that roadmap: Edited June 10, 2019 by Viper_944FW Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phantomdriver Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 That looks more like the production map as per McDonnel Douglas, not the planned ZM production map Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Viper_944FW Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 Sorry you're probably right, but the map closely follows what they've produced so far such as the F-4J/S/C/D. Outside of the RF & Brit models, all that's left is the F-4E/F and perhaps a "G"? And to quote from that same link above "It's not over yet! This is a promise for you F-4 fans! The development of 1/48 F-4 E has come to a good point. I think I may let you see a test-shot of the model in the next days so please look forward to it. " So the F-4E is pretty close . . . . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GeneK Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 On 6/4/2019 at 8:13 PM, Vaildog said: I’m sorry I think you meant to post this in the AMK Tomcat thread Priceless! Gene K Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Matt Foley Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 On 6/4/2019 at 8:13 PM, Vaildog said: I’m sorry I think you meant to post this in the AMK Tomcat thread Ha! Perfect timing! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Matt Foley Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 On 6/5/2019 at 5:46 PM, JeffreyK said: Apologies if it came across as too harsh, but my impression of the first replies to the initial post was another "they really had enough time, why is it not here already" theme. ZM usually time announcements and news with the US or UK nats (rather than Japanese shows) so I guess we'll hear news in Chattanooga. Perhaps test shots for dispaly? Perhaps a release at the UK nats in November? I have no idea, really just a guess. Cheers, J I will most certainly buy the E variant(s). But I hope they'll go all out and give us a Spey as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 3 hours ago, Mr Matt Foley said: I will most certainly buy the E variant(s). But I hope they'll go all out and give us a Spey as well. +1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Viper_944FW Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 (edited) I was at the NATS on Wednesday & Thursday (7 & 8 Aug) and stopped by the ZM booth and on display was a 3d printed F-4E with a sign saying it would be available in summer 2020. Sorry I didn't take a picture of it . . . Edited August 12, 2019 by Viper_944FW Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kurt H. Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 I have a picture. I still need to unpack and upload pictures. The Old Man handed it to me to look at, and said they hope to have it ready this time next year. It looked like an F-4E to me, it has a long gun muzzle and a TIESO. I am not enough of an expert to know if everything is correct, so we will just need to see how it comes out and what the consensus is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kurt H. Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Here are pictures as requested Quote Link to post Share on other sites
achterkirch Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 I don’t think they fixed the back end of it yet Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 I was hoping they would lead with an EJ. Summer 2020 eh? Oh well, got plenty to build while I wait. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mike J. Idacavage Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 When I chatted with the ZM staff in Chattanooga, they said that a F-4EJ will follow the F-4E. They are also planning on a EJ kai. Other variants now in the pipeline are the F-4G and F. I did not get a warm & fusszy feeling about the RF series. Have fun modeling Mike 30 minutes ago, Mstor said: I was hoping they would lead with an EJ. Summer 2020 eh? Oh well, got plenty to build while I wait. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jonathan_Lotton Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 7 hours ago, achterkirch said: I don’t think they fixed the back end of it yet The F-4E shows the correct profile for the back end. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Williams Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 I’m looking forward to a new tool F-4E, but I wish they wouldn’t make the same mistake they did on the F-4S with the wing LE slats extended. They were almost never extended on the ground, and the way that ZM molded the inner slat actuators, they have to be physically modified to be able to retract the slats. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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