ya-gabor Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Dear Vladimir42, I can only repeat: You don’t have to believe me. Please ask Ken the "Flankerman". Together we visited Zvezda in Lobnja in 2013 and spoken to the designer of the Mi-24 kit and seen what they used for the development of the kit. I don’t know what has my knowledge or absence of it, has to do with what Zvezda is using for development of its kits. None what so ever. : ) : ) Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tank Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 1 hour ago, ya-gabor said: Here are the pilots on new Mi-24V kit Sprues. Best regards Gabor Gabor, Thanks. I swear I looked at that sprue a few times and totally missed it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tank Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Vlad, As you have already taken a look, can you share your insight for us non-expert Hind fans? Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vladimir42 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Ok, later, at the moment there are no photos nearby Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 It is interesting that Yesterday announcement or you can call it explanation about the quality of the kit, Zvezda only published on the “internal” VK page but not on the official fakebook page. Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rocketdrvr Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 4 hours ago, ya-gabor said: Here are the pilots on new Mi-24V kit Sprues. Best regards Gabor Thanks I missed them on my first look! 👍 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 A closer look at the cockpit is “interesting” and there is little justification for it in year 2020 and a given high level of technology available to kit makers. As it is there is absolutely nothing there just a plain flat surface. It is possible that the kit itself will be cheap (according to Zvezda) but one will be forced to buy all sorts of aftermarkets to make it even at a low level acceptable increasing the price by several times. Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tank Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Yeah, I think for most a decal option will be good enough. For what they have mentioned about this kit, makes sense. For the rest, hopefully a resin company will help out otherwise scratchbuilding it will be. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DarkKnight Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 so happy for pilots, I will buy 2 and all the detail sets for this, awesome kit! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 So there is someone who is happy with this kit! : ) : ) : ) Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DarkKnight Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 I read on Britmodeler I think, that Zvezda claims no rivets and minimal interior detail to keep price down and produce more variants, I have have to monogram/revell. I presume the Kitty Hawk might be better if we ever get it. I would like to hear from the experts, will this be worth being or not? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Hi DarkKnight, Everyone makes his own choice of what to buy or not. Following in steps of the 72nd scale kit, the overall geometry of this kit should be good. Russians are saying that this is nothing more than a simple upscale of the 72nd kit. Nothing really added to it even if it is a quarter scale kit. There is an absence of rivets on the fuselage, according to Zvezda because they are different on various versions. - True for about 15-20% of rivets but the rest is the same. Absence of details inside the cockpit, once again according to Zvezda to make it common with all versions (apart from the early Mi-24A). - Some like it this way, so that they can place a decal more easily in comparison with a surface full of details. - One can say that “everyone gets aftermarket resin or painted etch parts anyway”. Some do, but then the cheap price of the kit will be considerably increased. - The rest is left with a pretty plain cockpit. All this in 48th scale. Now the year is 2020 and there is a certain level of detail one would expect given the current level of technology available to kit producers. Just look around at other kits. The only question is that for various versions additional parts for Version specific details on a separate sprue will have to be added no matter what. How big a new instrument panel is to be included on this sprue also? You will have to make your own choice on this one. : ( : ( Sorry! Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 (edited) Just found few photos that I took for "Rivet study" of the Mi-24, just how riveted it is. Some dismiss them as "not really visible". I dont know (actualy know but . . .) . : ) : ) : ) This is why I made few pictures of a real Hind. Here is one example: Best regards Gabor Edited March 29, 2020 by ya-gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tank Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 (edited) Gabor, you truly are a rivet counter. 😃 I knew the Hind a bunch but that is well a lot. Edited March 29, 2020 by Tank Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ismaelg Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 Pardon my ignorance, but what is the "fuselage twist" I've seen mentioned? Thanks, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tank Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 12 minutes ago, ismaelg said: Pardon my ignorance, but what is the "fuselage twist" I've seen mentioned? Thanks, If you look head on to the hind, the wings and intakes are not level. Leans left (13d if I recall) by design. Do a search flankerman has a photo on here with lines to help see the twist. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 The rear fuselage on the Mi-24 is offset to the right (starboard) by (IIRC 13deg) as an anti-torque aid. Here' my pic from Gostomel showing it.... If you draw a line through the front two windscreens you can see that the intakes are angled to the left in this photo... Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 As the boys before me (with faster keyboards) have said: The fuselage is twisted as a design feature. If you look at a Mi-24 straight from the front, while the cockpits are perfectly symmetrical and vertical right after it the fuselage is twisted to the left. Not only this but the tail has also a twist in it. It all compensates the torque force of the engines. Dont forget this is the fastest and most powerful attack helicopter. Is it represented in kits? Yes, the Zvezda kit used some factory data in designing the kit both this 48th and the earlier 72nd scale version. Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ismaelg Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 Thank you! I was not aware of that. I can clearly see it in Ken's picture. Thanks, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DarkKnight Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 holy cow! thats a lot of rivets, is lack of rivets a plus so you can dd your own or laziness? I hope for the KH Hind so we can have a discussion which is best, like the KH vs. GWH Su-35, the more kits the better Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HomeBe Posted March 31, 2020 Author Share Posted March 31, 2020 Released in Russia https://zvezda.org.ru/catalog/sbornye_modeli/aviatsiya/vertolyety/sovetskiy_udarnyy_vertolet_mi_24v_vp_28463/ Instructions & schemes V.P. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HomeBe Posted March 31, 2020 Author Share Posted March 31, 2020 And Begemot is designing decals sheets Source: https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235061308-148-mil-mi-24vvp-hind-e-by-zvezda-released-begemot-decals-announced/&do=findComment&comment=3627843 Quote In Russia this week is non-working for prevent enlarged Q virus pandemia, so Zvezda and hobby shops closed now, after end of medical holydays model will be in shops. BTW - as i'm working at home - i'm have time for rescale our 1-72 Mi-24 decal to 1-48 and rework grayscale instruction to colour version Edited 36 minutes ago by kotey V.P. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tank Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 2 hours ago, HomeBe said: And Begemot is designing decals sheets V.P. I was just going to check their website. Kotey used to post here. ☹️ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kotey Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 For unknown reason i can't post anything at ARC yesterday (all stayed at home in Russia now and internet work sometimes not good), so yes, as i have a lot of time - i start rescale our 1-72 decal to 1-48, one marking scheme were changed - as Chzech version include in Zvezda inbox decals - i'm change it Hungarian overall dark grey marking. And i'm rework painting and marking instruction - in 1-72 it was grayscale, in 1-48 it will be colour Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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