ya-gabor Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Curt B said: Hi All, Just thought I'd jump in here to add my $0.02. I got my GWH SU-27UB from SprueBrothers in early November, and decided, based on the discussion here on curved missiles, to verify mine. All of the weapons in my kit are perfectly straight. I've read with interest this lengthy thread, and certainly a lot of opinions presented here. I'm not certain yet whether I"m sold on the multi-part exhaust of this kit, and in fact, if there are ever parts of any jet airplane model that I am inclined to want to replace with aftermarket resin pieces, they are generally the ejection seats, and the exhaust nozzles/afterburner parts. It will be interesting to see what aftermarket companies do with the exhaust for this kit. As far as I can tell, no such dedicated aftermarket exhausts have yet been made available (if anyone knows different, please provide some info), but I'll be looking forward to seeing if such aftermarket items can/will improve on the detail of the kit parts. Hi Curt B, If you dont like the seat and the exhaust please feel free to blame me. After all the seat was in all respects my work while for the exhaust I added details and an idea. How it turned out in the end in plastic form is . . . Still think that given the constraints of injection moulding we tried our best to give as good and authentic parts as possible for both of these areas. I think a Russian resin maker has exhaust cans for the Su-27. Does it fit the G.W.H kit? I have no idea. For the ejection seat this is the early K-36DM Seria 2 version of the seat. For the G.W.H kit I made several visits to operational MiG-29 unit (which has exactly the same seat) to do some measurements and photo work as well as using my own K-36 for measurements and details. Is it authentic? It is up to everyone to decide for themselves. Looking around the market I am sure you will be able to find other aftermarket seats. Are they good, authentic? Have no idea. I can speak only for our work. Still hope you will enjoy the kit! Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Curt B Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, ya-gabor said: Hi Curt B, If you dont like the seat and the exhaust please feel free to blame me. After all the seat was in all respects my work while for the exhaust I added details and an idea. How it turned out in the end in plastic form is . . . Still think that given the constraints of injection moulding we tried our best to give as good and authentic parts as possible for both of these areas. I think a Russian resin maker has exhaust cans for the Su-27. Does it fit the G.W.H kit? I have no idea. For the ejection seat this is the early K-36DM Seria 2 version of the seat. For the G.W.H kit I made several visits to operational MiG-29 unit (which has exactly the same seat) to do some measurements and photo work as well as using my own K-36 for measurements and details. Is it authentic? It is up to everyone to decide for themselves. Looking around the market I am sure you will be able to find other aftermarket seats. Are they good, authentic? Have no idea. I can speak only for our work. Still hope you will enjoy the kit! Best regards Gabor Hi Gabor, and thanks for the response. As I wrote, it's typical for me to replace the seat(s) and exhaust(s), but certainly not something that I always do, automatically. I would be thrilled to find no need for those replacements, and from the photos you have been supplying, comparing the kit parts to the real thing, I'm thinking that aftermarket parts being an improvement is pretty unlikely! With the exception of using the new Quinta cockpit decals, mostly because I'm too lazy to do the necessary work to make the existing cockpit detail look fantastic (and the kit details on the panels is nothing short of stunning!, I'd love to build this airplane completely out of the box. I'm leaning in that direction, anyway. I know for sure that no matter which direction I go, this airplane is going to be the centerpiece of the completed models I have on display!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Inquisitor Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, Curt B said: Hi All, Just thought I'd jump in here to add my $0.02. I got my GWH SU-27UB from SprueBrothers in early November, and decided, based on the discussion here on curved missiles, to verify mine. All of the weapons in my kit are perfectly straight. I've read with interest this lengthy thread, and certainly a lot of opinions presented here. I'm not certain yet whether I"m sold on the multi-part exhaust of this kit, and in fact, if there are ever parts of any jet airplane model that I am inclined to want to replace with aftermarket resin pieces, they are generally the ejection seats, and the exhaust nozzles/afterburner parts. It will be interesting to see what aftermarket companies do with the exhaust for this kit. As far as I can tell, no such dedicated aftermarket exhausts have yet been made available (if anyone knows different, please provide some info), but I'll be looking forward to seeing if such aftermarket items can/will improve on the detail of the kit parts. There are no dedicated Resin Exhaust for that kit. But from all the accuracy discussions in other flanker threads and from the various russian resin AM manufacturers the correct diameter in 1/48 should be almost exactly 1 inch. The AMUR Reaver exhaust catalog number RC4823, AMigo Models catalog number 48023-1 and Res-kit RSU48-0012 should fit if kit's is 'correctly' sized. Edited December 30, 2020 by Inquisitor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stephen Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 I received my kit yesterday and the missiles are all OK. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Curt B Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 3 hours ago, Inquisitor said: There are no dedicated Resin Exhaust for that kit. But from all the accuracy discussions in other flanker threads and from the various russian resin AM manufacturers the correct diameter in 1/48 should be almost exactly 1 inch. The AMUR Reaver exhaust catalog number RC4823, AMigo Models catalog number 48023-1 and Res-kit RSU48-0012 should fit if kit's is 'correctly' sized. Excellent! Thank you! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scooby Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Received my Sprue Brothers Daily Deal ($64.99) kit today, what a kit! And none of my missiles are bent! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 The clock is ticking fast and very soon this dreadful 2020 will end! I would like to wish everyone where ever you are around the world a happy new year and hopefully some sort of return to so called “normality” in 2021 ! ! ! Stay safe!!!!! Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.Sin Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 35 minutes ago, ya-gabor said: The clock is ticking fast and very soon this dreadful 2020 will end! I would like to wish everyone where ever you are around the world a happy new year and hopefully some sort of return to so called “normality” in 2021 ! ! ! Stay safe!!!!! Best regards Gabor Thank you, Gabor! Happy New Year to you also! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Porkbits Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Happy New Year! Have some great kits lined up, so.....I've got stuff to keep me occupied until pandemic finally ends (another year, probably). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
legend1 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 On 12/29/2020 at 10:57 AM, madcop said: Preordered mine from AMMO MIG (Spain) in October and received it today. First check went to the armement and to my relief, everything is O.K. Madcop it is easy fix just live it under running hot water for few seconds and try to straight the bend if is not enough just put under hot water again ! i use this to fix the depression on my amk tomcat on the side of the back end ! it works Quote Link to post Share on other sites
legend1 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 hi all happy 2021 ! for those who are interested i found these picture about the bort 100 under maintenance Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIO Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) If a slightly bent part is an issue worth saying, then better think of buying diecast models 😝😝😝 Common guys, we should be taking basic modelling skills as for granted. This cannot be something to alert about... For those with some history in the hobby, just remember the Monogram, magnificent, history series. More parts wrapped than not. Spoiled, spoiled, spoiled 😘😘😘 Edited January 3, 2021 by DIO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Specter1075 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 30 years ago, cars didn't even come with air bags, and now people complain when their air bag sensor fails? Spoiled spoiled spoiled. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tapchan Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Tools changed a bit since then, they allow for way better quality now. This is QC issue, I expect no such problems in expensive kit with no customer service behind 🙂 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIO Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 4 hours ago, Specter1075 said: 30 years ago, cars didn't even come with air bags, and now people complain when their air bag sensor fails? Spoiled spoiled spoiled. Only this is not a failure. It is not a missing part, not an incomplete part. It is a slightly bent part, in a hobby where people are expected to build something using parts, glue and filler. If this is an alert, or it may stop someone from buying or building the model, then I honestly cannot see many models fit to such a skill level. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Walker Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 If we have reached the point where we find ourselves whining about slightly bent missile bodies in a simply stunning kit, then maybe we should look to find another, less demanding, hobby. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Specter1075 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) The issue is not whether it is challenging to fix, its a question of getting what you pay for. There are people who can scratch build models from just about anything but that doesn't mean I'm ok if the mail man runs over my kit. Bent missiles are a defect, not part of the challenge. I'm pretty sure Great Wall wouldn't want people to get a bunch of bent parts either. Edited January 3, 2021 by Specter1075 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tapchan Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) On 12/30/2020 at 1:38 PM, madcop said: Toooooooooooooo bad ! Just hope you've got a honest neighbour ! Keep us posted ....😉 This is what I came across today when back home - package was standing like that for 5 long days (no worries, doors were closed, it's just my fiancee who had to get in immediately no matter what) 😄 Edited January 3, 2021 by Tapchan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raptor71 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 On 6/19/2020 at 8:17 PM, Solo said: Ok, but my question was not why they don't make such subtle lines at all, because they can make them at all. I am curious why they don't make them on whole kit. Please check out this part of nacelle of Su-35. One line is fine and subtle, second one, next to it - is not. The same I can say about panels. The different thickness of the rivets depends on the use of cnc machines with 3 axes (rivets with different thicknesses as the engraver can be tilted) or 4-5 axes (rivets with the same thickness as the engraver can be tilted and remain parallel to the surface to be engraved)). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
haneto Posted January 3, 2021 Author Share Posted January 3, 2021 Happy new year every one. Just came back from 15th Shanghai New Year Modelling Contest as the judge for aircraft models. I have seen at least 5 finished Su-27UB built by Chinese and Japanese modellers online/offline, so hurry up guys. Your turn now! On 12/21/2020 at 7:08 PM, Curt B said: Thanks, haneto. May I respectfully request a slightly off topic question and ask what UV Glue anyone has used with success? I’ve considered getting some in the past, and I guess there’s no time like the present. I suggest if anyone can recommend 1 or 2 glue sets, I don’t need to turn this into a big off-topic deal... I used a so-called "Swiss brand" ERGO 8500 which is very cheap(USD3.- for 200g) and common here in China. Maybe it's a fake Swiss brand but the quality is quite good. Hope you guys can find some good replacement as well... Yufei Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madcop Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 On 1/3/2021 at 7:10 AM, Tapchan said: This is what I came across today when back home - package was standing like that for 5 long days (no worries, doors were closed, it's just my fiancee who had to get in immediately no matter what) 😄 Good news and honest neighbours ...If I were your neighbour,I could have built the kit for you ! 😁 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIO Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 hour ago, madcop said: Good news and honest neighbours ...If I were your neighbour,I could have built the kit for you ! 😁 ..and also keep it.. ...for you! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madcop Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 9 hours ago, DIO said: ..and also keep it.. ...for you! You are being mean...I am honest and I would have kept it for me until Tapchan's Christmas 2021 !🤣 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tapchan Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Modelers are introverts - what it one of my neighbours be a modeller too? He'd saw big box from MIG and... Well, luckily it's here 🙂 Missiles are straight. I have found 2 defects however. One kit had a part broken in half on the frame with those thin, fragile pipes and stuff. Minor problem I guess. Second has the one piece canopy scratched (in some spots even to matte finish), probably by the broken off arced sprue that was supposed to protect it. I haven't noticed anything else. The boxes are huuuuuge (Tamiya F-14 seem small now next to them) but stuffed tight with plastic. Not as much as Zvezda's Su-30SM but still I had to remind myself tetris skills to pack the first one back up. Anyway, I'm eager to build it but I have 2 active projects still on the bench (finished 3rd one today :D). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dadeo911 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 I got mine recently and have spent a great deal of time oohing and awing over it. Haneto will you be doing a beautiful build guide like you did for the Su-35? Happy modeling everyone, Chris Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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