Falcon053 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 I started work on my kit and cut the upper fuselage out of the sprues and notices the the right wing has a nice warp to it. Its nothing a flat surface and my wifes hair dryer should be able to fix, but anybody else have this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RKKA Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 They all have it, my 2 kits have it too. i would keep it like that. Actually, on the real thing the outer wing is always a little bit warped forwards, it has to do with aerodynamics, it reduces the angle of attack of ailerons at high pitch of the aircraft. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Matt Foley Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 5 hours ago, RKKA said: They all have it, my 2 kits have it too. i would keep it like that. Actually, on the real thing the outer wing is always a little bit warped forwards, it has to do with aerodynamics, it reduces the angle of attack of ailerons at high pitch of the aircraft. You're right...Missiles are warped to make them more maneuverable as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Falcon053 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 5 hours ago, RKKA said: They all have it, my 2 kits have it too. i would keep it like that. Actually, on the real thing the outer wing is always a little bit warped forwards, it has to do with aerodynamics, it reduces the angle of attack of ailerons at high pitch of the aircraft. At first I thought that was supposed to be there like you said, but only the right wing is warped and looking at pictures of Su-27UBs head on, the wings are really rather straight. Its not a twist front to back, more a outer wing sag inside to outer tip. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RKKA Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Okay, if it’s one side only, that’s not fine. But in general, my 2 kits (and from what I saw online) have this slightly slack around the middle of the wings. With lower part attached, it seems to fine and more rigid Quote Link to post Share on other sites
regylum Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 New add-on kits are already on sale:Su-27 exhaust nozzles for GWH Kit (1/48),https://reskit.com.ua/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=911, Su-27 wheels set late version (1/48) https://reskit.com.ua/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=885, Su-27 wheels set arly version (1/48) https://reskit.com.ua/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=884 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
haneto Posted February 12, 2021 Author Share Posted February 12, 2021 (edited) Happy New Year of Ox every one! With more and more receive the Su-27UB kit, many have already finished the kit and posted their work on SNS such as Facebook etc. Sadly people prefer using more user friendly SNS much more than "vintage" online forum these days, so forum people may not have a chance to see those magnificant works on SNS which is some big loss. So here I post some of thr works which I have obtained the authors authorization, to show you how the kit will looks like once painted and glued. And once again, please remember the designing target for this kit: "Easy and fun to build with overall accuracy and selected details(which mean we chose to omit the details which will not be visible after you finish the kit)." We hope it to be a very well balanced kit, a kit for every one from beginner to veteran, all can enjoy it by their own way. Afterall, it IS the "compromise" showing a designer's true understanding between real life and modelling art, showing his/her capability of balancing all the features within the limited time and money investment allowed. Modelling itself, is the "compromise and/vs balance", in my view. OK, here comes the first work, from the Polish modeller Marcin Torbiński. He spent 3 weeks since Christmas holidays, to awake this Soviet era green nose veteran. The straigt-forward OOB built brought him a lot of fun. Edited February 12, 2021 by haneto Quote Link to post Share on other sites
haneto Posted February 12, 2021 Author Share Posted February 12, 2021 Next one is the split camo bird from Ukrainian Air Force. Many people are asking for digital camo but remember, the split camo was the most stylish one at its time so I personally wanted to add this to the kit. Surely digital camo will be seperately released as a special limited edition in the near future. This work was done by the Spanish modeller Moises Ballester Pardo. He chose to use the seperated canopy frame part+ clear parts, which according to his comment "fitting is perfect!". So glad to hear that, since our innovation actually sparkled and brought people happiness. In every new kit design, we try to innovate new ideas by our own brainstorm, not just following others "best practice". And now the feedback told us how worthwhile it is! Moises simply "cannot wait to start his second UB kit!" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
haneto Posted February 12, 2021 Author Share Posted February 12, 2021 Another OOB cockpit by Greek modeller Giorgos Papanikolaou. Yes simply paint the plastic parts and add the kit decal with some mark softner, there you go! So it's nothing fancy or special technical you need, it's just a normal practice in our design philosophy which is already established as one of the standards, since the 1/48 Su-35 kit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bounce Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 very nice! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dehowie Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Lovely Flanker build Haneto the colours look fantastic. Thanks for showing off whats possible with the decals combined with plastic. Cant wait for the single seater! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChernayaAkula Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Outstanding builds! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alpagueur Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 What does this kit give me more than my good old Academy kit (with a resin correction nose)? It is not a provocation, just a curiosity! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Falconxlvi Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 These are inspirational! Thanks for showing us Haneto! As for the new digital Ukrainian scheme as seen on Blue 71...that is my chosen subject, which I intend to do this year once my ZM F-4E is complete. I have the MRP colors and Galaxy masks on the way 😊 Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MoFo Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Alpagueur said: What does this kit give me more than my good old Academy kit (with a resin correction nose)? It is not a provocation, just a curiosity! The nose in the Academy kit isn't the problem, the entire fuselage is wrong. So, that, for one. Also better/sharper/more detail. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alpagueur Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 ah ok I didn't know thanks. I'll sell it then and buy this for myself. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mfezi Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 10 hours ago, Alpagueur said: What does this kit give me more than my good old Academy kit (with a resin correction nose)? It is not a provocation, just a curiosity! Just to add to what was written already: I'm currently building the Academy kit. I'm building it because I had one in the stash and over the years I have collected a huge amount of aftermarket for it. My current build consists of the base Academy kit, Aires cockpit, Pisco resin nose, Cutting Edge burner cans, Eduard PE and Linden Hill decals and stencils. I probably should also add aftermarket weapons, as the ones in the kit are really very rough with thick control surfaces, the missile dimensions are questionable and the pylons need lots of additional detail, but I cannot justify any further investment in that kit. So, right there you have your first problem: To come even vaguely close to the level of detail of the G.W.H. kit as it comes in the box, the Academy kit requires aftermarket that pushes your investment far beyond what the G.W.H. kit costs. As you can see from Haneto's posts, the G.W.H. kit builds up beautifully out of the box with no aftermarket at all. Furthermore, while the resin certainly looks nice - the work required to get a really good fit of the Aires cockpit, for example, far exceeds the ease of building of the G.W.H. kit from what I have seen on this thread and others. There are also some very tricky work involved in the Aires cockpit - such as doing the PE harness and the HUD properly. Again, while the results look nice, the amount of work is probably 5 to 10 times of what the same assemblies would have taken you using the G.W.H. plastic. Regardless of the effort and cost, while you can add a lot of detail with resin and PE, the finesse of the basic surface finish and details of the G.W.H. kit still far exceeds the surface finish of the Academy kit (although I have to admit, for its time the Academy kit wasn't terrible). Then there are also a number of additional corrections that you have to make to get the Academy kit to at least approximate the look of the real thing. However, to fix the dimensional inaccuracies that were mentioned here would be virtually impossible, unless you slice the kit up and do a huge amount of additional scratch building. I freely admit that I'm really enjoying this Academy/Resin/PE/scratch and bashing project and I think the final model will look decent. But that is in line with the enjoyment I get from occasionally "spicing up" any old kit into a decent model. I intend to build a dual seater in future, and there is absolutely no doubt which kit I will start with: The G.W.H. kit wins hands down. And I will build it out of the box. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alpagueur Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Mfezi said: Just to add to what was written already: I'm currently building the Academy kit. I'm building it because I had one in the stash and over the years I have collected a huge amount of aftermarket for it. My current build consists of the base Academy kit, Aires cockpit, Pisco resin nose, Cutting Edge burner cans, Eduard PE and Linden Hill decals and stencils. I probably should also add aftermarket weapons, as the ones in the kit are really very rough with thick control surfaces, the missile dimensions are questionable and the pylons need lots of additional detail, but I cannot justify any further investment in that kit. So, right there you have your first problem: To come even vaguely close to the level of detail of the G.W.H. kit as it comes in the box, the Academy kit requires aftermarket that pushes your investment far beyond what the G.W.H. kit costs. As you can see from Haneto's posts, the G.W.H. kit builds up beautifully out of the box with no aftermarket at all. Furthermore, while the resin certainly looks nice - the work required to get a really good fit of the Aires cockpit, for example, far exceeds the ease of building of the G.W.H. kit from what I have seen on this thread and others. There are also some very tricky work involved in the Aires cockpit - such as doing the PE harness and the HUD properly. Again, while the results look nice, the amount of work is probably 5 to 10 times of what the same assemblies would have taken you using the G.W.H. plastic. Regardless of the effort and cost, while you can add a lot of detail with resin and PE, the finesse of the basic surface finish and details of the G.W.H. kit still far exceeds the surface finish of the Academy kit (although I have to admit, for its time the Academy kit wasn't terrible). Then there are also a number of additional corrections that you have to make to get the Academy kit to at least approximate the look of the real thing. However, to fix the dimensional inaccuracies that were mentioned here would be virtually impossible, unless you slice the kit up and do a huge amount of additional scratch building. I freely admit that I'm really enjoying this Academy/Resin/PE/scratch and bashing project and I think the final model will look decent. But that is in line with the enjoyment I get from occasionally "spicing up" any old kit into a decent model. I intend to build a dual seater in future, and there is absolutely no doubt which kit I will start with: The G.W.H. kit wins hands down. And I will build it out of the box. hello thanks for all the tips. May I ask you what decals will you use on your two-seater? thank you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mfezi Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 3 hours ago, Alpagueur said: hello thanks for all the tips. May I ask you what decals will you use on your two-seater? thank you. Just to be clear, since I didn't specifically say it: The Academy kit that I spoke about and that I'm building right now is a single seater. The GWH two-seater is a future project. As I said, I intend to build the GWH two-seater out of the box, but as I haven't started yet, I have not decided on the scheme. I like all the schemes in this release - but it will be one of the Soviet/Russian ones, not the Ukrainian one. I may still change my mind and consider aftermarket decals if I find something particularly interesting in the meantime - over the years there have been some very attractive Su-27UB schemes. For my current single seater project I have Linden Hill's "Flankers on Patrol 3" and I'm doing "Red 01" with the Cobra from 689th GvIAP of the Russian Navy. I chose that one as a result of reading the book "Легендарный полк" (Legendary Regiment" by Sergey Zhvanskiy, which is about the history of the unit since before WWII and which has a number of nice photographs of that aircraft. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Porkbits Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 (edited) Hello: I know I've asked this question before, but....I'm considering MRP paints for this build (they have a Soviet/Russian line of colors). Anyone know which MRP colors I should use for this profile? Thanks! PS--I wish GWH would also do a proper Su-34. Edited February 14, 2021 by Porkbits Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scooby Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, Porkbits said: Hello: I know I've asked this question before, but....I'm considering MRP paints for this build (they have a Soviet/Russian line of colors). Anyone know which MRP colors I should use for this profile? Thanks! PS--I wish GWH would also do a proper Su-34. I have the colors at home in MRP, they were relatively easy to determine, select the Sukhoi colors for the Su-27. It says it right on the bottle Su-27. When I get home I can send you the numbers if you haven’t determined it by then. Edit, here they are: MRP 195 Sukhoi cockpit blue-gray Camo MRP 196 Light Blue MRP 197 Light Blue Gray MRP 198 Light Gray All colors listed on the bottle for the Su-27 Edited February 15, 2021 by Scooby Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Curt B Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Scooby said: I have the colors at home in MRP, they were relatively easy to determine, select the Sukhoi colors for the Su-27. It says it right on the bottle Su-27. When I get home I can send you the numbers if you haven’t determined it by then. Edit, here they are: MRP 195 Sukhoi cockpit blue-gray Camo MRP 196 Light Blue MRP 197 Light Blue Gray MRP 197 Light Gray All colors listed on the bottle for the Su-27 I believe, for the last color, you meant MRP-198 - Light Grey for Su-27/33. However, for the scheme that Porkbits asked about, I think the MRP colors that he really needs are: MRP-046 Light Gray Su-27 MRP-045 Dark Blue Su-27 MRP-044 Blue Su-27 MRP-043 Light Blue Su-27 Edited February 15, 2021 by Curt B Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Porkbits Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Scooby said: I have the colors at home in MRP, they were relatively easy to determine, select the Sukhoi colors for the Su-27. It says it right on the bottle Su-27. When I get home I can send you the numbers if you haven’t determined it by then. Edit, here they are: MRP 195 Sukhoi cockpit blue-gray Camo MRP 196 Light Blue MRP 197 Light Blue Gray MRP 197 Light Gray All colors listed on the bottle for the Su-27 Awesome! Thanks so much, Scooby, appreciate it. Quick question - what would be MRP equivalent be for the darker blue, for example, the blobs just aft of the radome and behind the canopy on the top? I'm assuming that's some shade of dark gray blue..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Curt B Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Porkbits said: Awesome! Thanks so much, Scooby, appreciate it. Quick question - what would be MRP equivalent be for the darker blue, for example, the blobs just aft of the radome and behind the canopy on the top? I'm assuming that's some shade of dark gray blue..... My guess is that it is MRP-045 Dark Blue, as I'd suggested as part of an alternative MRP set in my previous post. Edited February 15, 2021 by Curt B Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scooby Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Curt B said: I believe, for the last color, you meant MRP-198 - Light Grey for Su-27/33. However, for the scheme that Porkbits asked about, I think the MRP colors that he really needs are: MRP-046 Light Gray Su-27 MRP-045 Dark Blue Su-27 MRP-044 Blue Su-27 MRP-043 Light Blue Su-27 I have all those paints, the ones you list are listed as for Ukraine Su-27s. Which I’m not sure what the differences are, as they all were built in the same plant. The ones I listed are for Russian Su-27s. They don’t list the dark blue, so I suspect your use MRP-045. MRP doesn’t explain the differences. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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